Metriod’s Samus (vs) Halo’s Master Chief (King Of The Game – Early Concept Art)
by Chad Lakkis on June 20, 2007 at 8:27 pm
We are working away on bringing our readers the “King Of The Game” series but wanted to share some early sketches with you in the mean time. Artwork by Kristoffer
There will be 32 different characters competing for the recognition of being pixel for pixel the baddest that ever called a console home. If you would like to take a look at the rest of the line ups you can check them out here. Enjoy.
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164 Comments » |
on June 20, 2007 9:07 pm
looks sweat! cant wait to see the finished product!!
on June 20, 2007 10:27 pm
Artwork looks killer man. Why cant we see larger versions yet? KJ
on June 22, 2007 7:10 pm
[...] Metriod’s Samus (vs) Halo’s Master Chief (King Of The Game – Early Concept Art) [...]
on June 23, 2007 7:56 am
Nise comic. =U
I was looking at your divisions and I’m surprised to see that Gordon Freeman isn’t there (unless I missed him somehow)
on June 23, 2007 8:15 pm
Pffft. Mastercheif kicks Samus’s ass any day.
on June 23, 2007 10:08 pm
I cant understand these comics, I have no clue whats going on.
on June 24, 2007 12:37 am
travis knight,
These are just early pieces of art, the final pages will be in color and have text on them.
Mad-
on June 24, 2007 12:49 am
Aaron on June 23, 2007 8:15 pm Pffft. Mastercheif kicks Samus’s ass any day.
Looks like we have a fan boy!!! (aww too bad Ryu wasnt up against link that would be awsome)
on July 13, 2007 1:23 pm
Looks sweet, but MC would waste Samus.
on July 15, 2007 5:28 am
ARE YOU GUYS RETARTED???
how could the master cheif beat samas? She has built in weapons on her armour and the master cheif is unarmed
on July 19, 2007 5:44 pm
you are right iced iron, samus probably will win out of the fight with masterchief and also that samus has more flexcibility and stronger weapons for example the anihilator beam(witch i think is the strongest out of her beam weapons) besides i dont think a bullet will penatrate samus’s thick armor that easly.
on July 21, 2007 7:06 am
OMG Samus. Samus is totaly unrealistic. A master cheif is much more possible than some chick who can roll up into a ball and has weapons built in with crap names like ____ beam. I have a hatred for metroid prime ever since I played it on ds. I decided that I wouldn’t go back to nintendo and stick to my humble xbox and pc.
on July 25, 2007 6:08 pm
Aaron ….. you should test Metroid prime on Game cube , because they are the god ones … not the ones on Ds….
on August 13, 2007 8:58 pm
you all think samus is the best thing MC would kick her butt halo kickes all other games ot of the whater halo p ones all other games
on August 24, 2007 6:00 pm
samus pwn3d youuuu
on August 25, 2007 12:21 am
Yes Halo is an awesome overrated game (Its over rated but still good)
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MASTERCHEIF AND SAMUS NOT HALO PLAYERS AND METROID PLAYERS
on August 26, 2007 7:45 pm
While Mastercheif is a more realistic character, if such a fight would ever happen, I have to say Samus would win. Not just because I’m a Metroid fan both games have very strong points. Samus out does Cheif in weapons, armor, and movement. Energy beams against bullets and High powered missles against rockets would give Samus the best out come. No disrespect to Halo, its a great game, its just Samus is the more powerful. Now if only there was a game where you could play co-op as both.
on September 15, 2007 9:20 pm
Master Cheif would dismount samus with 1 shot in he head with a snipe
on September 16, 2007 12:55 am
Understandable, however if Chief would do something so cowardly he’s obviously not much of a fighter, now if he grabbed a rocket launcher and shotgun then ok, theres a fight. Anyway, as soon as he got in far enough distance Samus could just turn on her thermal visor, locate him, and get out of the way.
on September 25, 2007 7:25 pm
Watch the video on you tube to see how samus would rape master chief. Airborne youre ignorant, samus suit is bullet proof, lava proof, pretty much resistent to any thing. She has much better weapons 4 her to use. She is much quicker than chief too. Chief would get owned.
on October 11, 2007 8:38 pm
Cowardess is one thing but to snipe is using tactics and skills. You also must take into action that Master Chief has both hands [i know thats newto you: for a character to have two hands, all of u metroid prime fans.]
and he is no cyborg. He is genetically enhanced for better reflexes, trained in the marines with extraordinary tactical intelligence and skills. He has a large variety of weapons, too. Samus’ faceshield also narrows her view. Take into consideration, also, that Master Chief has Cortana who helps him. Along with that, consider this: Master chief has an alliance with both the humans and the elites; who is Samus in alliance with. Sure you can call it cowardess, but in reality, it is a tactical advantage. If Samus were to have an alliance, hell, that’d be TACTICS. It is a matter of having the intelligence of thinking ahead. Master Chief has multiple types of shields, such as the built in shielf in the Mjolnir, The Deployable Cover, and the Bubble shield. along with thet the portable turret, multiple types of grenades; including grenades that set fire, stick to given objects, shrapnel, and deploy spikes. Master Chief has incredible strength and reflexes. Thus, my thesis of how… I belive Master Chief would win, though I must say, with a sad heart, Samus could win, depending on circumstances. fFor instance: say one trips. The other wins. a tiny faulty move gets either of them killed. or maybe the weather, r distractions. a number of changes or mistakes or anything could change the victor. I say, Overall, Either could win.
on October 15, 2007 8:07 am
The problem with Samus compared to Master Chief is that she has everything Master Chief has only multiplied with a factor of two to ten depending on the area.
Master Chief is a genetic altered human stuck in a man-made suit which is based on tech from a alien race that has been stalling in it’s technological development out of religious dogma. He has enjoyed human-devised marine training.
Samus is a girl fused with Chozo-blood and DNA so she can survive on their homeplanet, a planet which has a much harder enviroment then the MC has ever encountered. She enjoyed warrior-training from a race that specializes in creating warrior-races, the metroids being their ultimate creation. Samus is probaly on par with MC on a physical level and has received better training.
Her suit is also made by the Chozo, known as the most advanced race in the entire galaxy,which specializes in energy weapons, speed, mobility, lock-on targeting, a vast amount of scanners and being able to swim trough lava, take on hits from monsters that eat scarab tanks for breakfast and be effective in any kind of enviroment. Also, how much weaponry MC does have, Samus has more of them and then some.
Samus and her suit is a more flexible, powerfull, more adaptive, better information-gathering, better trained, better equipped unit and has a crap load of more expercience in any kind of field then MC.
Some say that MC is the more realistic one, well, just that is another reason why he will lose by default. Samus’ suit defies so many human science and physics, it shouldn’t be able to exist…in human scientists eyes, humans that also built MC’s suit.
Again, the match-up just isn’t fair because objectively speaking the MC is as powerfull in Samus’ world as a veteran Space Pirate who happens to have a rechargeable shield (that’s very weak againt energy-based weapons). They should have pitched Samus with Megaman really, and Master Chief with Duke Nukem.
Points in short:
Samus > MC by a huge margin because
Chozo tech > human tech
Chozo training > human training
Chozo DNA fused human = genetic altered human
Saving the galaxy from all kinds of races on all kinds of planets > fighting the same two factions on very similar places
Also, having a alliance is a STRATEGIC advantage you ignorant twit and Samus has an alliance with the Galactic Federation, but she’s a bounty hunter so she likes to work alone. And what does that have to do anyway with Samus and MC doing battle against each other, i don’t think calling in a squad of marines or elites is part of a DUEL (aka a fight between only TWO people). It’s like the halobots just make up reasons out of thin air, offcourse they have a lot of practice by somehow seeing Halo as a revolution in FPS-gaming instead of the very generic but good FPS it really is.
on October 15, 2007 10:45 pm
Well done Optimus, I was waiting for someone to express the purpose of a duel… plus, yet again, that Samus would win.
on October 16, 2007 5:44 pm
Okay, I’ve discussed this one a lot back and forth with my friends a lot. Doing Samus vs. Master chief is difficult, mostly because there is little knowledge about Samus that can be put into direct relation with the Halo universe(and vica versa), e.g. how much damage would a Halo-rocket do to Samus.
Secondly, the fight isn’t fair because Metroid is an FPS RPG, which means that you walk around looking for boosts to your abilities, weapons and armour. No such thing in Halo, you’re ordered about by your superiors. If you take a quick look at the Halo universe though, you find the Forerunners, an ancient(and extinct) race that has left behind immensely advanced technology(which would make them similar to Chozos). (A concrete example of this is that the forerunner AI 343 guilty spark suggests that Master chief should upgrade from a grade 2 combat skin(his current Mjolnir armour in Halo 1) to a grade 12. Which of course you have no idea how is available)
I can’t say I know any more of Metroid than what little prime 2 I’ve played, and what my friends brought up in the discussion. However, I’ve read the first Halo book, which pretty much explains the process of becoming a spartan, what implants they have, and the physical results of their augmentations and armour.
First of all, there’s hardcore training since you are 5 years old, you are pretty much treated the same then as a US marine would be treated at boot camp.
Then there’s the implants/augmentations, which include:
1 Carbide ceramic fossification
2 Muscular enhancement injections
3 Catalytic thyroid implant
4 Occipital capillary reversal
5 Superconducting fabrication of neural dendrites
(not necessarily in that order)
Number 1 means you have a virtually unbreakable skeleton, as your skeleton is fused with different compounds to make it super hard.
2. means that you increase the effeciency of your muscles, increasing both strength and stamina.
3. Gives you a growth hormone boost, which the reason for why spartans average at about 2.10 meters, or 7 feet.
4. More blood flows to the retina, giving you an extreme eyesight boost.
5. Alters your usual nerve/brain cells to work more effeciently. Gives increase in all mental abilities(intelligence, memory, and creativity), as well as a 300% increase in reflexes.
Then there is his armour. Note that it is actually not armour, but an exo-skeleton, meaning it boosts his movements.
so here are some of the results if you total his training(Spartan-117 is Master Chief’s codename):
# Capable of running at speeds exceeding 55 KPH (34.155 MPH). SPARTAN-087 was capable of running faster than the rest. Later on, SPARTAN-117 runs at around 105 KPH (65.205 MPH) during a MJOLNIR MARK V training exercise.
# Capable of lifting three times their body weight due to increased muscle density.
# Virtual night vision.
# Reaction times of 20 milliseconds. Significantly faster in combat situations.
# Capable of unprecedented teamwork that resembled “telepathy”.
# No physiological or mental instabilities.
(you’ll find this information at http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Augmentation_Procedures)
Take into consideration that Master Chief wighs half a metric tonne when wearing the full Mjolnir armour. This means the energy he has in one punch while running is probably more than a car hitting you on the freeway.
For it to be an even fight, you’ll simply have to consider what equipment Samus can have to match these specs(or you could give MC some of the upgrades that are temporary, like overshield).
So, knowing what Samus is capable at a range, I think it will come down to whether or not Master Chief can get into close quarters. If he does, there’ll either be morph-basketball or a good old-fashioned pummeling(remember that unarmed combat is an important part of spartan training). I’m not sure about this, but I think MC can outrun her too(even in morph ball). However, there is quite a limit to how many shots master chief can take(even with Samus’ basic equipment), so he’ll have to find sufficient cover or distract with firearms and then storm forward.
Well, if all things mentioned is considered, I think It’ll be an even match with a 50/50 chance.
on October 16, 2007 10:10 pm
nicely said Optimus but one fact about samus that u forgot to mention she can also access a very riskfull and dangerous mode any of u can guess..of courese its “hypermode” look it up on wikipidia HALO fans!!!!!!!! everyone i think u should stop posting things now that Optimus gave some reasonable FACTS well unless some OTHERS want to argue some MORE about this subject…
on October 17, 2007 3:20 am
Isn’t that the big problem with the Halo-fans? They know everything about MC but not one bit about Samus and just geuss that piling all the stuff MC has will make him a (better)match.
i know about the Forerunners and that the Covenant reversed engineered some of their tech, but the humans didn’t, they reverse engineered that what the Covenant reverse-engineered, that’s a big difference. So somehow equalizing the Forerunners with the Chozo (both could have been each other match) doesn’t apply to the tech MC is using (which could been redundant 2nd generation ForeRunner tech while the Forerunners achieved their 12th generation tech before they became extinct).
Samus was brought on the age of three to the Chozo homeplanet, then fused with Chozo-DNA so she wouldn’t die in three days because of the Chozo-atmosphere and then started training with the Chozo because the Chozo saw in her the perfect object to create a protector out of for the entire galaxy. Going from the Metroid comic that explains this Samus could, thanks to Chozo-blood and training leap about five times her own height and also have superhuman speed. Problem is that no one at Nintendo or Retro really bothered to give real specifics to what Samus capabilities are. But considering the Chozo envisioned Samus to do battle against Space Pirates and the Metroids, she will have received significant training from a race that created the Metroids.
Samus could be (without her suit) a more agile but less sronger version then the MC without a suit.
It is really the suits that make the difference and that’s where the MC looses big time because of all the reasons mentioned above. Even speed isn’t a issue because Samus suit has a speedboost ability that makes her so fast she can run trough enemies.
There is a huge power difference, now if they let both out of their suits, then we would have a 50/50 type of fight.
on October 17, 2007 12:03 pm
Thanks for filling in some of the gaps ^^
It is exactly my point that MC doesn’t have forerunner tech. I was referring to a scenario where it was granted to him from e.g. one of the monitors, which probably has blueprints for some serious tech stored in the database(considering all it is known that forerunners are capable of), and use constructors to build it.
However, I cannot remember seeing speed boost in the later games (wikitroid confirms this), but even if she had, I think the direction of running would be quite limited, and changing direction would be hard. And again, we do not know specifically how fast she is running.
About the jumping, is that with or without the Power Suit as extra weight? I can’t say I remember much, but using prime as a reference I’d say 5 times her height is a bit exaggerated. Same with running, doesn’t seem superhuman in the games. (although it doesn’t seem so with master chief in the games either, it is due to that he runs, and doesn’t dash. And more importantly, the increased reflexes are represented by that everything seems to be in slow motion).
Critique of Samus’ physical abilities aside, my point is that considering the amount of time that is spent searching for upgrades in the metroid games, a fully equipped Samus Aran with PED suit and all upgrades would whoop Master Chief’s ass back to the stone age. No question. Even with standard equipment and a normal power suit, Samus is at a great advantage. So this isn’t really a battle unless you do something drastic about either two characters.
on October 17, 2007 1:27 pm
The comic shows her as a 15-year old without a suit jumping out a ravine at least 5 times her height and then run off like the wind like she was Sonic. Personally i think the suit actually slows her down even if it does have its own servo-engines and everything (Super Smash Brothers Brawl hints at that, but that can possibly be explained as balancing issues for the game itself).
The lack of speed-boost in the Prime series is probably a design choice, a speedboost is more usefull in a 2D design then in a 3D.
on October 17, 2007 10:20 pm
oh for jesus of mother’s sake! come on guys.. as u can see Samus is for kiddies.. and MC is for much like teens and older.. Samus is like cartoon show on tv.. MC is like more realistic right.. i mean samus turned into a ball.. that;s for fantasy.. MC cant do into stupid stuff which is i like it! that’s not fantasy and i like it (ah i know MC is fantasy yes.. but Samus is way more toony fantasy) and i dont like it when there is Samus VS Master Chief.. it’s sooo stupid.. i will go FOR MC and i dont care if MC lose.. f*ck that stupid fantasy duel.. it’s so dumb! HAIL TO MASTER CHEIF!!
on October 22, 2007 4:55 am
@#$@ master chief!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @#$$ he will probably never win if there ever was a duel between them……….and i dont think MC will be able to meet samus in the video game world… well unless MC appears on super smash bros brawl then ill make sure to beat his @#$#en %$@%t @$$ by using samus and zero suit samus…….sorry ill stop posting stuff now
on October 28, 2007 6:10 pm
wow dude.. to Metriod GAY MAN… ur so LAME!! ROFL!! L-A-M-E-OOOOO!!!
on December 1, 2007 3:23 pm
if they both were real, Samus would probably win depending on how many energy tanks she has. teh ch33f is F**ked the moment his shields go down. Samus, on the other hand, can take an ass-whuppin so long as she has an inventory of tanks. anyone who has played the game knows that. The fight would be more fair if Samus did not have any surplus energy tanks.
on December 11, 2007 2:50 pm
Squaguna8
Her suit does look “fantasy”. But still i like it because of that Nintendo did some artwork on it instead… MC’s suit looks like a dirt biking suit.. lol its like they’ve said “hey guys how is the suit goin to look like? (other person) hmm today i saw my kid riding on his bicyckle in his brand new clothes n helmet i bought him. Maybe we can get inspired by that :D!!” i mean it is really cool.. But when it comes to yappin about suits then i might say that it looks like a rip-off of dirt biking clothes n helmet
Note that metroid is for teens aswell.. Rated “teen’s only”
on December 22, 2007 10:58 am
Squaguna8 – when you learn to type english, then perhaps your comment might be taken into consideration >_>
[otherwise] Optimus is hitting VERY critical points… because i have noticed that ban-wagon Halo fans [and that's most of you d*ck riders] only know the facts about Master Chief and don’t bother to analyze any possible rivals
Samus’ battled more than a planet worth of Space Pirates, Metroids, Motherbrain, [countless battles with Ridley >_>] and even her fellow bounty hunters. [i'd like to see Chief take on Rundas. hehe]
as it was stated above, Master Chief does take on the same two enemy forms in his 3 and i stress 3 games and almost always has help more than half the time! Samus has experience battling against far worse threats over a more vaster number of games.
and yes! Samus’ training and abilities GREATLY exceed Master Chief’s. When he fights something other than the Flood and can go up against a batch of Metriods without getting his life force sucked from his body then… maybe… he might give Samus a run for her $$$.
and weaponry??? Samus is equipped with a default weapon that shoots BEAMS OF ENERGY vs. bullets??? maneuverability, weapons, suits, skills – sorry Halo fans, Samus greatly outweighs Master Chief in all of these.
which alot of people would say is unfair… EXACTLY, it is unfair [that Master Chief would have to go up against her lacking the skills and weaponry to defeat her] Master Chief would get wasted by Samus – not to say that Master Chief isn’t skilled… she’s just clearly the better contender.
and whats this i hear about Ryu vs. Link??? thats not even a good match up – one is a technical fighter while he other brandishes a sword and an arsenal full of weapons…
>_>
on December 22, 2007 4:46 pm
midnightkey267- are u out of ur mind dude.. and hey my english wasnt very good.. bcuz i went to shit school and im deaf so now f**k off and hey.. reason why ur out of ur mind.. samus is for kids.. oh why is it so? bcuz of course, it’s too CARTOONY!! and fake ass guns and stupid fantasy stuff things.. i tried to play that game.. GOD TERRIBLE I HATE IT!! zelda ia wayy 10 times better than metriod!! and i like zelda, obviously i know it’s cartoon too.. so what, i dont care what u think of my options.. anyway… master chief is only new.. that’s lame to think of samus verus againt master cheif.. way lame.. i knew MC is wayyy better than samus, MC is fast learner than wimpy dumb blonde samus.. she is no good dude… IM OUT!! PEACE!
on December 22, 2007 5:04 pm
As a side note, if they were able to keep pace with each other, what happens when Chief runs out of bullets? Samus can only run out of missles, which the plasma beam alone is more powerful than. I mean whats he going to do then? Try to bash her with the butt of his gun? He’s too human, and too limited in abilities, its not even worth arguing about its clear Samus is too great for him.
on December 22, 2007 5:09 pm
Oh wait, Chief isn’t cartoony at all right? When he runs up to an alien and its screams and says in perfect english “You big bully!” Or “You killed my best friend!” THAT MAKES SENSE. It doesn’t matter what’s cartoon or fantasy, ITS ALL FANTASY. This will NEVER happen, its just a case of ‘what if’ and ‘if’ this were too happen we all just express each strengths and weakness, aaaaaannnnd Chief is too weak for Samus.
on December 22, 2007 5:11 pm
dude… master chief isnt much cartoony.. let’s say.. it;s like CHEAP CARTOONY.. got it right..
on December 23, 2007 2:23 am
No, lets say every Halo game has tried to throw quick humor in here and there. And Metroid has never had one goofy comment or scenario. Nintendo takes her serious because they have Mario, or DK, or Pokemon to be funny. Samus is their dramatic character, which is why they built her up and made her so great. I know. I’ve played and beat all Halo and Metroid games, soooo I know what I’m talking about when I say If either are being “cartoony” its Halo.
on December 23, 2007 2:53 pm
haha, all of you fanboys(sorry to you guys who aint) ask your self about your oh so powerfull master chief, do you really think that the authors of this battle will let him win? seriously, think it over “would they let chief beat samus” theres your answer.
in my opinion(ive played both games >_>) samus is the one who is gonna emerge victorious ontop of this mess, i got a strong sense the only reason you guys are picking MC is because you like the games(yes, halo 3 is a killer game and metroid doesnt have much compared to halos online part) but kudos to you if he wins (you bastards propbably bribed the authors >_>(or microsoft.. that would make sense if they bribed them, like they used isane amounts of money on promoting halo 3)
on December 23, 2007 3:39 pm
ummm… ok – well [jeez where do i start?]
Squaguna8 – on account of your english [i need say no more... it speaks for itself O_o] dont blame the world for your problems – 80% of my intelligence is what ive persued on my own
ALL of the facts that MC would get destroyed by Samus has been stated… i understand if some people refer to him favor him, but im sorry he simply would be outdone by her. Samus has dealt with threats worse than MC himself
and to keep things clear. . . Metroid falls under the subject of SCIENCE FICTION and if im not mistaken Halo also falls under the subject of SCIENCE FICTION. so to say that one is more cartoony than the other is a foolish thing to say. science fiction – meaning that everything shown can be scientifically explained… and last i checked science was the further from fantasy
just because one shows more blood and forward violence than the other makes it for kids??? [dumb ass] it opens it to a broader adience
and i agree Zelda IS better than Metroid so… for you to down a fellow Nintendo game is just… dumb [just because YOU hate Metroid doesnt change the fact that Samus would handle Master Chief >_>]
on December 23, 2007 4:55 pm
Oookay, Halo is suffering from a lot fans who are having trouble expressing themselves properly. Hope I can fill in a bit.
midnightkey267,
I agree that master chief is quite underequipped to face Samus, but yet not as inadequately geared as many Metroid fans claim it to be.
It is not entirely correct that Chief faces the same enemies in all 3 games. For example, Halo 3 introduced the flood true form, as well as armored brutes, and scarabs as active vehicles.
The help you get in Halo isn’t really worth anything (might be on normal or easy, but it is worth very little when you progress to Heroic and worthless when you play legendary (You are a wuss if you don’t play legendary). You do receive help in Metroid as well, from all the upgrades you get etc.
It is extremely hard to find enemies that act the same way in both games. Metroid is set in quite a different universe. You only know how tough an elite is relative to master chief, and how tough Ridley is relative to Samus. If you are to compare enemies, you’ll just have to state that one is tougher than the other and you’ll miss out on a lot of subtle, but vital points.
Personally, I’ll think you’ll learn more from how each character acts on a more fundamental level, i.e. just looking at gear and augmentations.
On an unarmed basis, I daresay that Master Chief outperforms Samus; from previous posts it seems that she suffers from a couple of performance issues while wearing her basic suit. If you have played the games, you may notice that the Hang-time when you jump is unusually long- This is because of Chief’s reflexes, that give a sense of dilated time. Normally, master chief jogs about. However, if you pick up a sword or hammer, you may notice that he charges his enemies. The running speed he achieves then (which is the equivalent of a sprint) as way faster than what you will achieve in the prime series. So in terms of unarmed combat, I think that Chief would win.
Your bullets vs. Energy beams doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, considering what chief is up against. Plasma weapons are energy weapons (that is, the type of energy you are considering (heat). Kinetic energy from bullets is energy as well), which master chief constantly faces. And, when you play Halo, you aren’t supposed to take any hits, you duck, cover and dodge most of the time (in a greater sense than in Metroid). So it is only fair to assume that chief will do the same, and that what kind of weapon samus uses isn’t all that relevant.
I agree that Master Chief is inferior when it comes to brute protection and firepower, I do however strongly disagree that he is inferior in skill (maneuverability I have already pointed out that Master Chief will exceed Samus). Like I said in previous posts, he has received extensive training since the age of 5, as well as participating in the human-covenant war constantly since then.
Again, the difference between Halo and Metroid is that the equipment level is static in one, and dynamic in the other. Samus constantly receives upgrades, while master chief is stuck with whatever he started with. Which is the main reason for why Chief vs. Samus is unfair.
If Samus was equipped with default prime gear and Chief with default Halo gear, I believe chief would win. In almost any other situation, it is a one-shot win for Samus, and the chances of MC winning are small.
on December 23, 2007 8:33 pm
uhmm yeah dude, sure.
so the fact that masterchief has also been altered with bioengineering is fair? if you can say that masterchief would win a naked fight with samus, then i dare say that if samus got some bioengineering like masterchief, he would be screwed?(more historically correct he is a cybernetically enhanced “SPARTAN” super-soldier.)
ok, so if she got bioengineering i REALLY think he would be done for, not even breaking a sweat(ok maybe a little >_>)
but drop the crap with “yeah but what if she was naked, what if they had no guns, what if, what if, what if” etc etc etc…
samus has got more skill, more experience, and you cant just start saying what if, all the time, then we could just start saying, “yeah but what if samus was born invincible. YEAH, but what if masterC was also invincible, AND had kill-invincible-girl cannon” SERIOUSLY, it stands as it stands, and thats how were gonna keep it, so dont give me nore more he got more skills, NO he got bioengineering!
and hey, im not trying to attack masterchief, i like the idea about him, but the fact is, that he doesnt really have as much character, style(cool armour suit though!) and history(it doesnt count that bungie suddenly starts pumping out halo background stories to hype him even more then those trillionfillion dollar ads)
masterchief 1 and 2 were only fair games, you cannot compare them to epic games like FF(based on story and character strength/personale) and so on, the thing about the game is that it got awesome multiplayer, and thats what selling.
like we all know how retardedly popular counter strike is, its not selling because of the aforementioned.
so, to make things clear, i like masterchief, but i like samus better but ive been really just in my thinkings about master chief and samus when comparing them on different stuff, please, correct me if im wrong or something doesnt seem fair, because this is what ive come to think.
on December 23, 2007 8:41 pm
*note*
as i said i dont like the “what if” comments,
but cadre you did it in a good way when you neutrally tried to explain how masterC and samus were on different power lvls and equipment scales(though please keep in mind hes bioengineered) and i also think you did a mighty fine and “just” review on both on them when comparing :)(more of those kinda reviews, less post with irregular facts and flaming and hate speech(and that goes for you samus fanboys 2(note, i am a samus fanboy i think ._.)
on December 24, 2007 6:54 am
Thanks, I try very hard to be neutral. Not easy though, being a big fan of Halo games, and “only” a medium fan of Metroid series.
However, according Optimus, Samus has been bio-engineered by infusing her with Chozo blood. This process was described in a comic, so Metroid apparantly also has an expanded universe. Check it out a couple of posts above. This does, however, not show in the games for some reason.
As for skills, you have to admit that Master Chief would at the very least be on par with Samus from spartan training and pure combat experience.
As for the if-if-if comment, you do realise that the “if” has to be there. I stated that the fight would be fair with near default gear for both. When you say otherwise, you are saying “yeah, but what if Samus had more of her gear etc. etc.” I do agree that it is ridiculous to move into purely hypothetical parts of the lore, but at what point on the timeline from each game they meet is relevant.
It is a bit awkward to compare FF, a pure RPG and Halo, a pure FPS. But if you look to commercials for Halo 3, you’ll notice that rather than advertising for an awesome multiplayer, they advertised with the epic storyline, with the Ark and end of the world etc.
I believe that the reason for why Halo sells so well, is because it has a little bit of everything. Epic storyline, good graphics, and great multiplayer. So rather than just multiplayer, a combination of everything. (Hm, I think I’ll stop there so this post doesn’t just advertise Halo).
on December 24, 2007 2:54 pm
and as a last comment i would also like to say that you need to quit the crap about masterC gets help from soldiers you imbeciles.
first, the soldiers suck, and aint no real help actually.
second, the human race is about to get wiped, do you think the human government would simply send out one supersoldier and then hold back the rest of the military, as if either he does it, or he dont.
over and out.
on December 25, 2007 12:06 am
well hey im not saying i hate metriod.. im just sayin i hate the way Samus do in the game.. it sucks… no offense. and hey… u misunderstood me saying Cartoony… now let me ask u real simple cleary question.. which game Metriod or Halo is way more cartoony? mmmm… and those both game is science fiction yes i know that.. and hey seriously… Samus vs Master Cheif… is wow… stupid chose…
on December 25, 2007 12:16 am
hey BaneWolf… Mc can fight as naked againt naked chick samus… well why? because i have read the halo book: Fall of reach and more books that i own.. Mc was a kid and went to military when he was 6 years old so does all childrens.. bcuz of course MC only last hope.. John 117 is MC u know that right.. anyway… he been fought alot military guys without super spartan.. he’s tough and smart! he does know how to do CQC (close Quarter Combat) i dont know why it wasnt in the game… just book.. sucks i know.. right now about Samus “naked” does she do bare fight? i heard she does do Sword, thats it??? if not.. im wrong.. and u tell me about it..
on December 25, 2007 12:21 am
BaneWolf.. “and as a last comment i would also like to say that you need to quit the crap about masterC gets help from soldiers you imbeciles.
first, the soldiers suck, and aint no real help actually.
second, the human race is about to get wiped, do you think the human government would simply send out one supersoldier and then hold back the rest of the military, as if either he does it, or he dont.
over and out.”
ah that wasnt quite true… all they do is TEAMWORK and they dont left anyone behind.. and hey Samus doesnt help anyone alot.. just finding clues, kill monsters and left… i mean.. what? pathetic..
on December 25, 2007 1:10 pm
Squaguna8 you misunderstood nearly everything i said, i aint gonna comment on that..
cadre, where are you hiding, i need an intelligent internet fight ._.(jk i luv u cadre
on December 25, 2007 2:36 pm
cadre – honestly if you were to pit Samus as she is at the beginning of a Metroid game against Master Chief as he is in the beginning of a halo game…
Samus would still win. equipping them both with their default weapons might make the fight itself fair, but even then Samus still overpowers Master Chief in the end. pitting Samus as she is in the beginning of prime 1 [with only her cannon and the morph ball would make it EVEN more fair]
squaguna8 – i agree. it would be an unfair fight [samus vs. master chief] but the fact still remains that the mass amount of MC fanboys seem to believe that he is unstoppable. this goes to show, he isnt. and now that they seem to notice, suddenly people are trying to dumb Samus down to his level to make the duel more sufficient [THAT speaks for itself >_>]
and banewolf: thank you… someone else in this argument sees reason. :p
happy christmas to you all! o
on December 25, 2007 2:59 pm
and bullets vs. beams of energy does make sense…
on one hand u have… a bullet. metal projected at an accelerated rate [ok. surrounded by energy] that can pierce anything with weaker properties on contact.
and on the other… a ball of energy projected at the same speed. the same energy that surrounds the bullet [intensified, concentrated and in a mass amount]
in reality, its that causes the bullet to do damage, not the bullet itself. image that energy but a larger amount of it concentrated into a ball and projected at the same speed
[wonder which will win...] cadre :p
on December 28, 2007 12:19 pm
Love you like a brother, Banewolf. Like a brother. Don’t get too mishy-mooshy here :P .
Hm, you didn’t really give me anything to work with in the other comment midnightkey267 xD So I’ll stick to the energy thing.
The point wasn’t comparing MCs weapons to Samus’. It’s pretty obvious (and damn all ignorant halotards for not acknowledging this) that the standard UNSC rifle is museum-material in the metroid universe (there is a small catch here, I’ll come back to that later). The point was that if you look to the weapons of the covenant, MC’s most common enemy, they use a similar type of weapon.
Point is, MC is used to clashing with enemies with far superior weapons, position, armour etc etc. Which is why I claim that he would have a decent chance of defeating Samus.
But let me get this “ball of energy” thing clear. Energy needs a medium to be transferred. In normal gun, the bullet is the medium for kinetic energy. In a laser, the photons are medium for energy.
Again, we don’t know what Samus actually fires, as a “ball of energy” is not an accurate description as this actually is impossible.
However: the most usual thing to regard as pure energy is photons/electromagnetic waves/light. In this case, energy is transmitted by intensity(amount of light) and wavelength (shorter wavelength means more energy). Shooting a ball of light is highly unlikely, and would require quite extreme physics bending. The more likely alternative, is that she fires some sort of light emitting thing (as most beams are bright and shiny). The most likely alternative here is plasma, but since she has a beam already named that, it should be something else. Which leaves one to only speculate.
In any case, energy beams tend to base themselves on heat, and fry the enemy that way. The mediums for heat do not use momentum to destroy targets, as they (logically) use heat. Heat is not a function of speed, and since there is no momentum to be carried to the target, it makes little sense to speak of speed in terms of energy delivery on target.
You do not actually know if the energy weapon is more powerful, you just assume it to be. It’s a bit like saying a fancy laser show is a better weapon than a rifle, just because the laser show requires more advanced technology, + it’s bright and shiny. That’s of course an exaggeration, but the point is that fancy doesn’t necessarily equal effective. It might well be that a bullet(s) carries more energy than some ball of light.
I know this sort of brings us back to the if-if-if comments, but a standard-issue UNSC Spartan Laser. The splaser is definitively on par with most of Samus’ beam weapons.
on December 30, 2007 12:19 pm
wow my comment just decieced not to show up O_o – oh well…
on January 5, 2008 9:55 am
Cadre
people say that MC started training at 7 not 5.
Samus started at 4.. Yes i know its wierd she’s a female and a kid but she’s been infused with chozo blood so that might explain.
But still why cant people see that samus is a quick manuver(dont really know the spelling of this word so excuse me for it) aswell? Is it because you dont want to? Please face facts Samus has a great head-advantage with energy and armor. And ill stil lsay this. That guy that say’s the metroid enemies look childish is actually wrong(f you look at echoes) they look more alike something taken from zerg(starcraft) but it still makes it good. And as i wanted to say… Chief still dies of a missle w/e the difficulty level is he dies boom glitz baff!! though on echose 2 player mode it does take hell o time to kill someone with a missle. People say Chief can like move or dodge away… Please play metroid foks.. and you’ll see that she needs to do the same, plus samus fights alone ALWAYS!(except in mp3) but in mp3 her allies becomes her enemies, so that
on January 5, 2008 10:00 am
“cough excuse me for the half letter”
fixed her lonelyness, and for chief that fights enemies that are like 1.80 cm (or 2.30)
go and check samus enemies. You’ll see that they are something hell o lotta bigger and higher strengthed
btw Chief hits samus and she dies you say.. Why wont she die when omega pirate smashes her with his claws? why wont she die when flagghra slices heer with his blades? and why wont she die when emperor ing runs into her in a high rated speed? And you think chief can kill her with one puny fist.. Yes i know hes been “steroided” but who says she’ll die of it when she can take much worser?
on January 6, 2008 11:40 am
Melos,
thank you for the correction, although at such an early stage in life it doesn’t make all that difference if it was 5 or 7 years.
However, you seem to suffer from the impression that combat is a turn based action where one opponent steps up to the other, smacks that person across the face, retreats to the original location, and braces for the other opponent to do the same.
The reality is that real-life combat is more about guile, wits and agility than brute strength and toughness, in which I claim Master Chief has an advantage over Samus. The advanced use cover, objects, and equipment is more important than e.g. the strength of a missile. It is extremely rare that two opponents with good tactical training will come running at each other in all-out fight.
You’re also arguing that MC won’t be able to take a missile, without anything to back it up except that a general enemy in metroid can only take a single hit. If you look to previous comments, you’ll notice that this issue has been brought up several times, and fact remains we have no idea physically how much strength there is in one missile(in other words, how the Halo universe compares to the metroid univerese). Simply stating that MC will die by being hit by
I was reminded now that the place where this fight is going to take place is a football pitch, which is a completely unrealistic combat situation that favors brute strength and toughness only. Real combat happens in an environment with far more variables. So in a football pitch, it is very likely indeed that Samus would win. In a real combat situation however, the fight would be happening elsewhere and the situation would be turned around.
on January 6, 2008 1:45 pm
god damnit cadre….
5 or 7 does matter in fact, i remember reading some shrink article in a baby magazine(i think it was) that children learns the most and remember the most around the age of 6(or below) its like their impressions and stuff like that are imprinted in their minds and further developed through the age, so it does make a difference :)
about the brute strength and such, i still beleive that samus is superior to masterchief in wits and strength, and ESPECIALLY in agility. you said that the arena favours brute strength. dude.. thats a + for masterchief, since men are born, with either 1) more muscles then women or 2) bigger muscles(they “lost” some because of the ability to give birth if i remember correctly) also, masterchief has always been shown as a very strong character, as for samus, its always been about skills and agility/reflexes and such, ive never seen her being able to flip a car fx.
but about the missiles i can only agree.. without knowing how hard the missiles hit masterchief, we wont know if he can stand a 100 or maybe just only 1. but i doubt that its not much since samuses gear is from the future of the universes most advanced race that specializes in training warriors…
on January 6, 2008 4:44 pm
I’m happy that people actually moderately agree with me ^^
That may be in the case of basic abilities, like evolving speech and basic motorics. But I think there is also a limit to how much you can squeeze in, that you’ll still be on such a basic level that the type of knowledge you receive can’t differ all that much.
I disagree strongly on the agility argument, there are none of the apparent signs of the agility of Spartans. The time dilation, the sprints, and the coordination of his body, I simply haven’t seen a match for in the Metroid series.
I agree that this agility doesn’t show much in the game, but it does show in the books.
Personally, I’ve never really thought of master chief as “Strong” the way you put it. The enemies he fights, elites and brutes are as strong or stronger than he is. This means he has to rely on quick thinking and agility to survive. In the books he relies heavily on surprise and stealth attacks, which actually are spartan’s speciality. Because this is really up to the player, it doesn’t show through the games.
When I say “brute strength”, I wasn’t necessarily referring to strength of body, but strength of weaponry. Hope that clarified things a bit.
I forgot to mention this in previous points, but: There’s no way Master Chief would just through a single punch and leave it at that. Samus will survive the first punch allright, but i don’t think she’ll survive the follow-up. Master chief will most likely stun her with a couple of hits, tuck a grenade in a weak spot, in one of the joints of her armour; neck, knee, or elbow. If she survives that, I bet it will hurt like hell and he’ll be able to take further action while she is recovering.
on January 6, 2008 6:11 pm
Cadre
What makes you thing Samus is inferior with guile n agility. Yeah he puts something in her weak spot but how is he goin to find the weak spot with no information of it? And do you think i would’ve stand still if chief ran against me and gave me a couple o punches and shove a grenade on me?(samus view)i think she would’ve dashed away(if she was’nt blind of some possible way) She did take on lava on an old metroid (super metroid) but i guess they’ve removed that on her suit cuz of it being too superior to the prime games. But i dont think her armor gives her up that easily… Boff biff fown chief kicks my ass.. no i dont think that suit would’ve allowed disfuction(it never did) plus her boss battles against foes being equal to her are far more ferouscios(excuse me for the bad spelling)and longer.
plus you seem to take on all chief’s good sides why dontcha look at the opposite for the first time.. Ive done it several times but these two are’nt a match they are a wierd couple to refer.. i would’ve more chosen megaman vs samus (killing machine vs “bountyhunter”killing machine) and chief does sneack attacks you said.. ive never sneaked on metroid(niether on halo so its cool =P) but he does die awfully fast by being run over,getting shot to death, getting blasted to death and last he get’s sliced to death
lets refer those to the opposite
being run over a worthog=being run over by emperor ing or metroid prime(still not dead)
being sliced=flagghra(not dead,not low health)
getting shot to death= well i can go and take a coffe break before i see her dead
blasted to death=got it on me but still alive
what makes you think shes weak now?..
(note)she has a scan visor which could spot chiefs weak spot..
on January 6, 2008 6:14 pm
one more thing.. samus missles are homing.. no waiting no aiming but direct homing
on January 6, 2008 6:18 pm
yeah i know the missle comment has been brought up over and over again but a super missle can kill big creatures on metroid prime (yes you say size does’nt matter) but with that size i would guess the muscles are way bigger. I dont think chief is somehow superior to those creatures(in body building) though they lack thier speed and agility(if you count away the space pirates)
on January 6, 2008 6:46 pm
for our time it may not matter if its 4 or 7, but when your far out in the future with the most adanced alien race that specializes in warrior training, it would make a hell of a big difference, doesnt that make sense?
cadre, the books doesnt count, i mean sure they are a part of halo and what they write is the truth i guess, but just like the insane amounts of money gone into ads, those bungie bastards havent been merciless in their books, hyping hyping and just more hyping.
i mean what “if” the metroid people started a whole epic series of books, where they state that samus is, and actually always has been invincible.. the bungie guys know about the fan fights, and they wont stop hyping and messing up masterchief, in my eyes.. hes become nothing more than an overhyped, expensive(just like a girl being cheap its meant negatively) little walking halo ad, not actually being masterchief any longer, you know the old microsoft saying, right? if you cant beat them, buy them
http://www.ripten.com/2007/08/21/...
btw cadre.. about the agility thing/stuff
i think that video i posted earlier showed how everyone how it is, samus “beated” masterchief, and did it without her suit, only a laser whip and her boots, and ill post it again just for you ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-mR79GErU
(btw about the brute strength, in halo you can just flip over a car, thats gotta require some strength)
on January 7, 2008 8:22 am
Melos,
first of all, there’s one thing about Samus (the way you present her) at least where Master Chief is superior, he is not dependent on technology. Time and time again he has proven himself without it. He uses his mind, not a scanner. You don’t need a scanner to know that the weakness of any plated armour is in the joints. And you don’t have to be a genious(or use a scanner) to understand that the weakest point of MCs armour is the back of the head, or his soles, depending on shield setting.
Okay, again I claim that Samus can’t dash away, because MC has way more mobility in his armour, and any counter-move she makes will be instantly re-countered by Master Chief, in a split second where she has no time to react. I never said one grenade was likely to take her out, but; Samus has never encountered an enemy that uses precision strikes in an even greater sense than she does. They all rely on just hitting her with some brutally simple attack. Master Chief doesn’t work that way.
Think of Samus as a main battle tank from our days, say the M-1 Abrams. It can take more than 200 rpgs, and it’ll just need a turret replacement to be active for duty again. And yet, one specialized 50-cal round can jam it’s turret or tracks. That’s the kind of weakness that Master Chief will use to his advantage.
Read the books. He utilizes advanced planning and tactics to bring his enemies down, and focuses more on agility and stealth, brute strength and toughness has never really been his thing.
Master Chief will be nothing like a boss-battle from the Metroid series. He is too clever, quick, agile and unpredictable for that.
Now for Banewolf:
First of all, that the Chozo actually did manage to teach Samus more in those three extra years than Master Chief is pure speculation, unless you have something to back it up. (Can someone tell me where I can get those Metroid comics?)
The books HAVE to count, because they give detailed information on how Master Chief actually works independent on the player. It’s not like some random guy decided to write a book about how master chief is greater than God. Bungie dumped a bunch of facts and events and asked an author to wrap it up in a book.
Firstly, they haven’t written a book. Secondly, if it was just an ode to Samus invincibility, unlimited power and generally high levels of awesomeness, they’d lose credibility for it. The Halo books are backed up by the games, and give a perfectly rational explanation for everything.
It may be that Microsoft asked for franchise to be pumped out, but fact remains that it was bungie and microsoft who had the responsibility for it. Besides, Bungie has broken free from Microsoft now.
Oh lawdy lawdy, not that video AGAIN. It was a fan-video made by the AAPLM (Abolition of All Physical Laws Movement). Fan scripted means it has NOTHING to do with the official games. I.e. Purely for show and has nothing to do with this discussion. It’s hardly based on lore and facts from either games, and completely unrealistic, so please leave it out of this discussion? Please? O.o
And I’m not saying Master Chief isn’t strong, I’m just saying that that’s not what he relies on. You don’t necessarily have to sacrifice agility to be strong, because up to a certain point they are certainly proportional. So if he can flip a car over, it doesn’t mean he isn’t agile.
on January 7, 2008 2:02 pm
You say? excuse me for yesterday i was abit tired so my mod was’nt the greatest
but what is chief called? a mighty spartan a respectful one aswell..
Samus seems to be a simple baounty hunter right?
but do you reall think she’s that weak if she also got the title “protector of the galaxy”?
she needs all the stuff she can get her hands on(especially agility strength guile sense) to be something as great as that
so your words are that a simple human spartan is stronger than the protector of the galaxy?
she has actually saved lots more races than Master Chief that’s still on trying to save a halo ring
this is both counted from the games and the comic
and she’s a perfect dasher you should try the game (if you did’nt read the tutorial it says press B plus -> to dash)
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again
what makes you think she’s weak if she has that avatar? Protector of the Galaxy right?
master Chief is a spartan a great man and aswell respected… but pirates on Metroid use her name as a curse(swear word) they fear it to the difference of chief. There they dont underestimate him but they dont fear him either (except for the grunts)
and i’ve read that the chozo blood she got infused with gives agility great sense strength endurance and agility
that’s why she’s the protector of the galaxy.
I mean i wouldnt run around as chief if i was the protector of it.
on January 7, 2008 2:03 pm
bounty hunter (cough excuse me)
on January 7, 2008 2:17 pm
the books seem to screw around with my mind aswell… Atleast the metroid comics stick to the game.. The Halo novels are something trying to make, while bungie is pushing him down…
that’s why i dont have that much confident onto chief
(wow if this poll was’nt made we would never fight over something this stupid…)
on January 7, 2008 2:19 pm
and cadre it feels like you seem to be adding up things on chief for fun taht are’nt even there.. stop that please… and give me a webpage or something that might prove your words
on January 7, 2008 2:23 pm
It’s like you’re an eager overdoingly(but smart ^^) Halo fan that must add stuff onto him just to make sure he beats her…. atleast im saying shit i’ve seen on the games and shit i’ve encountered and saw and read.. from it.. once i did myself a “halo fan” and yes the games are made to be heroic.. a human cyborg killing a hole pirate fleet wich is awfully good. While samus has been overdoingly powerful for no reason…(my thought’s as a halo enthusiast)
on January 7, 2008 3:26 pm
no, he is just defending masterC the same way we are defending samus, and as far as i can see he has his knowledge of masterC from the books(cheap, but they count) and the halo games, i dont beleive cadre has directly lied, only had opinions or views that we were able/tried to contradict…
on January 7, 2008 3:26 pm
Okay, to correct some of these things.
1. I never said she was weak. Samus has some strong sides, brute firepower and toughness, but I still claim that Chief is physically stronger, has better wits and is more agile. (GIEF METROID COMICS!)
2. Agility is the ability to change directions fast and precisely. While she me be able to run fast, she cannot change directions quick. Dash is only pre-prime, right? I also believe guile (craftyness and trickery if you were wondering) doesn’t really depend on what equipment you have, but how you use it.
3. Protector of the Galaxy is just a title. Master Chief has been faced with the fate of humanity, the galaxy (or one seventh of it anyway) resting in his hands several times. You may recall that stopping the detonation of the first Halo ring prevented it from probably eradicating all life in one seventh of the galaxy. So yes, I believe they are equal in that sense.
4. They do fear him as hell, you may remember Master Chief’s nickname among the Covenant; “The Demon”.
5. We have brought the chozo blood up before, and came to the conclusion that her armour is probably slowing her down. She probably sacrifices agility for protection.
6. Read the books. I get all my references from there. You can get some information on halo.wikia.com , but it is short on details.
on January 7, 2008 4:17 pm
They’re made up characters. Never going to happen. Chief would run out of bullets. No more IFs. No “suitless” “Vehicles” “Training”. Whatever else. She’s superior, and no one can just let it go.
on January 7, 2008 4:57 pm
lol juggernaut you ass xD
on January 7, 2008 5:39 pm
Chief would go melee before such a thing happened.
And is she really that superior? That’s what we’re trying to establish here. We might just arrive at the conclusion that Samus wins anyway, but hell, this discussion is getting interesting and I’m not gonna stop here.
on January 7, 2008 6:54 pm
“The Demon”. wow i never knew taht xD awesome actually^^
but yes the human mankind rests in chief’s hands
but samus has several races in her hands.. cuz the protector of the galaxy isnt a title(according to the comics)its her job =/
on January 7, 2008 6:56 pm
Oh, speedball2 tournament is finished :D
well juggernaut has point :O!!(nah but you might know that im kind’a on his side.. since we’re somewhat enemies) but hey if we meet outside this forum like in cs or anygame lets buiry the axe and enjoy oki^^(but here lets keep serious)
on January 7, 2008 7:00 pm
Well about changing directory with her view.. if you play metroid prime corruption you might see she is pretty fast and everything you say she is’nt plus if she does the screw attack on chief it could hurt badly.. though i dont think he’d allow that.. plus if she uses the “hyper mode” phazon beam or whatever from MP3C then that might give Chief serious inguries first of that its a beam weapon and its radioactivity.
on January 7, 2008 7:03 pm
Pff i would’ve like that game for now if this never was brought up(Halo.. loved it before this shit came..)
on January 8, 2008 3:23 am
shut up you FOO’s
and listen to my good news instead, i just bought a new computer… and now i can run crysis on max everything :D
on January 8, 2008 6:18 am
i have to agree that as time passes in the metroid series, Samus gets more and more ridiculously powerful.
But, then you are assuming chief gets hit ^^
And that she has phazon beam in this match. I might as well assume that chief has the UNSC and Elite fleet to back him up :P
on January 8, 2008 6:20 am
(Sorry for the double post)
Oh, and the protector of the galaxy thing. It’s the same with Master Chief, remember, the Halo rings and the flood wipe out ALL sentient life in the galaxy. The only real difference between Samus and MC in that aspect is that Samus got a fancy title for her work.
on January 8, 2008 11:39 am
its a shame they COMPLETLY didnt post my last comment >____>
wow cadre – u really are hyping up master chief. and besides… samus as she appears in metroid prime doesnt display her full agility, because last i checked she preformed 10x better in the intro to “hunters” than she ever did during gameplay [the controls simply arent made to utilize her full agility]
and last i checked master chief wasnt THAT much more agile during his gameplay either
on January 8, 2008 1:50 pm
WTF??? what happened to the rest of my comment??? GRRR watever… im too lazy to type it over
>_>
on January 8, 2008 5:09 pm
Hey, i’ve got something iw would make as a flash movie…
Samus appears chief appears… they look at eachother…. they smile…. chief stares, samus laughs….. they start soft samus shoots with her arm canon and gets one powershot hit on him he notices that he got some damage… he just looks at it and give away a “cough” then he starts shooting at her with his smg(or whatever)she dodges until chief aims abit ahead…. then she recieves a couple of hits… but then his bullets run out.. she laughs.. then suddenly chief runs against her she jumps(or dashes)aside then she charges a powershot again to mock him abit. She enjoy’s while he is getting more pissed. And suddenly he looks at her with eyes burning with rage…. then he punches the ground making stones n rubbish fly on her.. she’s under the rubbish chief gives away a mean and evil laughter… when he sees a glow coming out of it.. BOOM and suddenly she broke out… but she does’nt look that happy.. but chief just smileys and says “BRING IT!” now its no more playing.. she changes to wave buster he changes to shotgun.. she charges while he shoots shells on her.. some hit other’s miss.. then Samus releases her shot, the wave ball coming towards chief.. he stares at it…. then he dodges aside but wait!! it hit him anyways? how he asked himself..(wavebeam homing stuff) now she was laughing again with a smile.. she says “i could annhilate you, but it would ruin the fun” so he breaks free from the electric chain and rushes and pound her over and over again… She escapes(either by screw attack or morphball )
now.. she stops playing around and sees hes not a simple pirate or anything like that… sooo she changes to dark beam.. a very slow weapon.. that would make chief laugh his ass off but he does’nt think she deserve even that of a death… he runs towards her tries to catch her in the punching or whatever position but she dashes after that he dashes and goes behind a wall she shoots the dark beam combined with a missle…. wich sucks chief in to a silent space.. wich would eventually kill himm. or she shoots a wave beam shot and then after that another and another etc.. until he’s dead.. or she shoots phazon beam on him.. so if he would escape he would die sooner or later(high rated phazon)
now.. there ya go i tryed to make them somewhat same…(or i might have missed some..)
on January 8, 2008 5:11 pm
and when you read the chief part try to over do everything he does… just to make it look good ^^
on January 8, 2008 5:14 pm
Cadre
cheif saves rings.. he does’nt deserve that title puh… she saves planets(or if she has to she destroys em) but chief saves rings. Woo our.. ring of some kind is saved yay.. lets get drunk… or even better lets go to the end of it and fall of teh edge :D!! besides i’ve seen those rings getting destroyed.. Nice Chief, nicely done
on January 8, 2008 5:20 pm
oh shit i mean high rated radioactivity xD please excuse me for it (where i said “high rated phazon” i meant radioactivity) (double writed it for the ones that would’nt understand the first part) oh shit that’s me :O nah just jk… Make jokes on yourself.. stupid aint it… but i’d rather see people laugh with joy than see them laugh against someones pain ^^
on January 8, 2008 5:32 pm
assume that chief has the UNSC and Elite fleet to back him up :P
he needs a fleet against a single opponent? meh she could just throw a power bomb and they’re gone… or dark beam+missle and they’re sucked in space
on January 8, 2008 5:33 pm
simple as it is(ffs in so damn stupid making multiple posts please excuse me for it) but there ya go… a small story and you got your winner..
on January 8, 2008 5:34 pm
the pounding part is like this he jumps on her and give multiple punches so its much worse than i’ve written
on January 8, 2008 5:48 pm
Melos, through your comments it becomes apprant that either you got a really bad grip on Halo lore, or you are ignoring it, or you cannot reason. Or it’s a joke. A bad one, albeit.
Midnightkey: Chief doesn’t look agile due to time-dilation effects, added in the game to represent Chief’s reflexes. And I’m not Hyping MC any more than you guys are hyping Samus.
Melos: Now listen, Chief doesn’t get angry the way you or I do. In combat, all Spartans think cooly. Spartans being bred for combat, they have to, who would want a hot-headed super-soldier? And I’m pretty damn sure Samus is the same in that aspect, you can’t let emotions get the better of you during combat.
I admit she looks agile in all the cinematics, but she only looks as agile as chief when you don’t include time dilation.
Aaaand you didn’t include my points. You modified them or misinterpreted them :P Or you didn’t include the rest of the intel on chief.
on January 8, 2008 5:49 pm
Cadre
dude i tryed to make it look somewhat good… nvm it though.
on January 8, 2008 5:50 pm
oh and the stuff i said that master chief does.. i wanted to say make them look 10 times bigger than my words are making them
on January 8, 2008 5:50 pm
and ye sry i kind’a had the rest of his stuff in my head but.. the computer was occupied so they kindäa disappeared
on January 8, 2008 5:52 pm
You’re correct about that angry shit.. just tryed to make it look good infront of the youngsters ^^, but ye you and i know that they arent like that.. cheif likes to joke here n there while she pretty much shuts up.. hmm i might re-write the hole text but all in all it would maybe end the same(she could just do the darkbuster or wahtever its called in teh beggining)
on January 8, 2008 5:55 pm
tryed to make it look good infront of the youngsters but on teh otehr hand youäre correct.. they cant be raged or shit like that.. chief lieks to throw around jokes here and there while samus barely talks.. wich makes em both cool ^^ but if i re-wrote the story i just showed ya it would still be the same result… shoot a charged wave beam shot
and you might say “he dodges is cuz of his perfect sense etc etc..” but the wave beam sees the enemie moves the same time as they act.. it cant miss! or she could just shoot missl+darkbeam(dunno the name) and he’s sucked in space(or the dark world.. dunno where it leads)
on January 9, 2008 2:56 am
cadre – excuse the fuk outta me… but i NOT ONCE ever pumped samus up… ive been saying for the longest: arm them both with DEFAULT weaponry and samus will still destroy him
[no one is modifying ur points... just pointing out their flaws] and now ur contradicting urself by saying that they’re agility in the cinematics is matched so… which is it?
and just because she [has the option] to use her scan visor makes her dependent on technology? and master chief isnt??? the suits, the guns, the equipment. ALL OF IT IS TECHNOLOGY, get over it!
juggernaut said it best… *sigh*
on January 9, 2008 11:20 am
Ye cadre.. you are pretty much telling us everything you’re doing yourself for example we buff her up etc.. no you seem to lower the opposite… we are taking everything we know about him.. not doubleing it =/ so why bother? just play the game, enjoy it! And ill maybe seeya online ^^(Halo)
on January 9, 2008 11:22 am
let me explain my text abit clearer.. YOu are telling us everything you’re doing by yourself!(what do i mean? well if you for example say that samus does that n that its pretty much the opposite)
on January 9, 2008 11:23 am
last thing! we are’nt hyping her ^^ She’s like that..
on January 9, 2008 1:18 pm
Okay, Melos, perhaps I was a bit harsh, it’s a nice effort. Keep it up ^^
What I meant was that if he is more agile, she’s not supposed to dodge more often than he hits her :P
Now for Midnightkey’s somewhat aggressive comment (keep it down m8, no post gets better by opening like that O.o):
Read my post carefully. I’ll say it again, and in layman’s terms if that helps. Okay. She looks agile in the movies. As agile as Master Chief. So so far: they are equal. However, there is implemented an effect in the cinematics and game: Time is always slowed. You never actually see chief move in realtime, it is slowed down. So you’ll have to speed up the cinematics/game to understand how fast he moves.
That chief is not dependent on technology, is again a point taken out of the books. The metroid games put a lot of emphasis on using the different abilities provided by technology, hence it is natural that she becomes dependent on it. The thing about chief, (This is a very subtle point that you can’t know from just playing the games) is that he remains critical of the equipment provided.
I’ve completely forgotten this, but does Cortana count as part of Chiefs equipment? Even though she is a “person”, she is regarded as equipment throughout the games and books.
Care to define default weaponry for Samus?
on January 10, 2008 12:32 pm
Cadre
on January 10, 2008 4:21 pm
nvm.. it got posted afterall..
on January 10, 2008 4:25 pm
I think i know why you wanted to know ^^ and i’ll tell you in advance, samus is actually abit like chief.. he’s a cyborg but she has implants! wich gives her control over her suit as if she did’nt have it on. Otherwise if she did’nt have those implants for the suit i think that it would probably be abit hard to walk with it (especially with the shoulders) and you might think that you’ve found a flaw on my word there but no… Chief is abit the same, except that he’s a cyborg (if im correct from the waist down) so there ya go.. if you removed the cyborg part it would’ve been the same for chief. =)(not sure if this was your answer for your future question)
on January 10, 2008 9:56 pm
uh… anyway…
despite the time lapse effects that bungie or nintendo wants to put in thier cutscenes cadre – both of thier speeds can be assumed by any intelligent person [no need to break anything down to me. XD] so thats not really a point to be made… >_> ive played halo and understand how fast chief moves and [unlike you] how fast samus moves as well
and i guess to make it clear, default weaponry for samus would obviously be her arm cannon, missles, and morph ball [as in the beginning of all of the metroid games] hmmm… based on that, doesnt seem like she’s very dependant on technology as u say…
i guess u can inform me of master chief’s default weapons since it seems ur on his side. lol
on January 13, 2008 4:10 pm
Weeeell, I have played some prime and I can’t say I’ve seen any spectacular display of agility that chief wouldn’t outperform. But it seems this has turned to a matter of opinion instead of hard facts.
Default weaponry, depends on where you are on the Halo timeline.
Mjolnir exoskeleton of varying models (a lot of individual equipmnent is integrated into it), and sometimes Cortana. Weaponry is chosen by type of mission, normally an assault rifle/whatever needed for mission and a bunch of ‘nades.
The secondary weapon can be anything from a shotgun to a spartan laser.
Um… Didn’t really understand you Melos (care to rephrase your intentions? Oh, and Melos, Master Chief has his whole body augmented, just not below legs. Dunno where you might get that from), but the reason is because she is a hacker AI and might be able to hack Samus interface, as hacking happens in the prime series.
on January 14, 2008 2:20 pm
well… only playing SOME of metroid prime would explain why you are ignorant to samus’ manuverability
and no one said anything about a secondary weapon… >_>
but anywho… all of the facts have been laid out of why master chief would be outdone by samus aran. in the end she would defeat him. period.
now… i think im done with this argument [no need to beat a dead horse any further]
on January 15, 2008 4:03 am
This horse ain’t dead yet…
:D
Mind showing me a demonstration of Samus’ agility that isn’t fan made? From what I see on youtube on cinematics, my argument stands.
on January 15, 2008 11:20 am
OMG!
no one is talking about those friggin vids on youtube
get a DS and Metroid Prime: Hunters – watch the opening cinematic of the game… you’ll see what im talkin about and shut up
cuz trust me… the horse is rotting in a pool of its own bile by now… >__>
on January 15, 2008 1:33 pm
Shut up? Wouldn’t dream of it. Now that the discussion is interesting? :D
Intro watched. When I say youtube it means that I watch cinematics there because I think the DS is a silly purchase (in my case), but that’s a whole different story. Still think MC is better at agility.
I only have your word for the status of the horse. And lets leave the horse. One second there I was thinking that you just wanted to end this discussion because you were suspecting that you were losing… >:D which is not the case, I hope?
Tell me; what makes you so confident? Just curious.
on January 15, 2008 4:12 pm
oh wow… this really isnt even about samus vs. master chief anymore…
but beyond that… it doesnt really matter who you think is more agile, because the FACTS have been laid out as to who would end up victorius.
even IF [meaning hypothetically] master chief is more agile than samus, it wouldnt b signifigant enough to prove useful in beating her. because in the end when ALL of the aspects have been views and calculated, samus would end up victorius
thats why im done with this argument… what else is ther to argue? [im done with this site, beacue they have the hero of time up against sum guy from a game called the "secret of monkey island" XD] trust me… i dont in ANY way suspect that ive lost this argument
confidence? u tell me… after all that you’ve taken in from this extended argument: do you REALLY think that master chief would defeat samus aran? not stand a chance… but actually accomplice defeating her?
[dig deep]
on January 16, 2008 4:00 pm
Cadre
You where first sophisticated and tempered.. But now you’re furious =O dude i usually tried to do some “agile” moves on Halo I TRIED to the difference of what you did lad =/
you must’ve just seen it… Remember.. press left/right and double press the jump button to dash aside… cmon the first level tells you that dont tell me you did’nt see it xD if so… Then you must’ve done it on purpose
cmon dude.. i played multiplayer with my brother… well we have kind’a the same skill on it but i saw him flying around to hell.. first i had aim when suddenly SWOOF! hes gone… explain his “un-agility” please cadre stop doing this on purpose.. yeah i might be poor on Halo lore but atleast i try to do the opposite i say!(sigh ima dl halo2 xD!cuz its fun^^) but still even if midgard said that chief is more agile… cmon he is’nt moving faster than a damn cs player… besides remember when we talked about teh jumping high thingie? and you said samus world had low gravity… im sorry but i usually dont want to get enraged but what the hell are you talking about? Everything has gravity on the planets.. on halo its damn moon physics!! please explain why you said that!.. why did you sy the opposite on metroid.. Next time please atleast try to do something instead of standing still… that might’ve explained why you diied(if you did) or why she was’nt agile… sheesh.. she does move fast its just that you need to know the damn buttons before you play dude.. aight ill tell you once more left/right jump(B) again! left/right jump(b) again so it could really sit there :D left/right jump(B) One more tiiime! ;D! left/right jump (B) oki just jk ^^ but honestly… alteast try… i did.. i thought the opposite.. but halo1 is’nt fun so i’ll get Halo2 =) hey just cuz im a metroid fan does’nt it mean i cant enjoy a sci-fi game aye?;D i know he’s awesome ^^ controlling all the vehicles aviable, handling all weapons aviable (in his world) and actually people say that chief also deserves somewhat the same title as samus =) he does do some cool stuff ^^
on January 16, 2008 4:22 pm
It is about Samus and Master Chief, I’m just motivating and provoking further discussion by taunting ^^
Well. Facts and facts. We know nothing about the specs of Samus’ suit, or her actual agility, because they are never quantified. We know how they work in the metroid universe. We have no idea how they work in the Halo Universe, or whatever medium was chosen to bring the fight to. (I brought this up a couple of times now).
You can’t calculate a winner, you can calculate probabilities :P
You haven’t lost this argument because it’s still ongoing.
Yes, I firmly, truly believe that Master Chief could defeat Samus Aran in battle, given certain circumstances that are fair (the ones we just have discussed, default gear etc.).
The main reason for why Metroid people think that Master Chief will lose is because Metroid Series give a somewhat distorted picture of combat, where almost all you do is scan, lock on (to weak spot) and fire. The type of combat you engage in is very specific; rarely over 200 meters. One knows little of how well weapons and gear work beyond this range. (This is just an example.)
Given that Master Chief can outwit and outperform Samus in agility, I’d say his chances are pretty good. A fights decisive skill is most often the mental.
I got the feel that you cut of the discussion because I just brought an argument up and it wasn’t properly discussed. You also seemed to disregard a couple of points I made. You did for example comment on the time dilation: “both of thier speeds can be assumed by any intelligent person” You don’t have to assume anything in the case of speeds of Master Chief, because there are hard facts on his capabilities. They are found in Fall of Reach, which, mind you, is NOT fan-fiction but actual facts given out by Bungie. Which gives it as much credibility as any Halo Game. It is not a case of overhyping or exaggeration, they have voiced their idea of Master Chief in the series.
Could you please clarify your argument regarding Cortana (if it was indeed directed at her).
Glad to see that the discussion has rekindled ^^
on January 17, 2008 10:07 am
If I have given you the impression that I’m raging, I’m sorry, but i was simply trying to spark up the discussion again by somewhat aggressive means (and you have to admit it worked xD)
Have you noticed something else with Halo, except the so-called Moon Physics? (this has to be the one-hundred and tenth time I say this, but here I go anyway xD). Okay, everything moves slow. The reason for this, is that to reflect Chief’s reflexes, everything in the game has been slowed down, quite a bit actually. You may remember that there is a sequence on earth in Halo 2, and the “moon-physics” still applies. So what he does, he jumps i dunno-how-far into the air, under the influence of normal gravity (9.8 M/s^2) but it looks and feels like as if he on the moon because everything is slowed down.
And the strength of gravity depends on the density of the planet/whatever. The formula is g=(G*m)/r^2 (I think, this is from the top of my head xD), where g is the gravitational acceleration, G is the universal gravitational constant, m is the mass of the object, and r is the distance from whatever thing is standing on top.
If a planet is less dense, which means that for example it’s the same size as the earth but weighs less, gravity strength will be less. So although every mass has gravity, the strength of it may differ.
(This doesn’t apply to the Halo rings as they use artificial gravity)
Did that clear things up?
on January 17, 2008 11:00 am
Cadre
Well lad that’s your opinion and reason to chiefs victory =)
But i belive that Samus wins because of all those things you said that chief had (even though they are’nt visible) i’m sorry to say it liek that but no.. i cant see those things on either chief or in the Halo games.
Chief is a Human right? a spartan! but still he is just a normal trooper (i think because he fights along his men) he does for example take orders right =) (hmm this did’nt have anything to do with Samus victory xS sry)
well i think that samus wins because Chiefs lacking of taking bullets. Now you’re maybe saying that the metroid universe and halo universe are different.. Well ofc they are ^^ but on halo you die even if it is Artificial physics. But on metroid with high physics it does’nt do too much damage on her except that she says “euhh” and then she’s up again.. She is a walking killing machine.. She has no mercy (if noticed that she kills critters and pirates for no reason sometimes) besides “chief is more agile” if i could only belive that =S i just dont get it (me talking while playing) DODGE DODGE DODGE!! ahh damn..(me talking while playing)
besides people say that gravity hammer might have a high effect on Samus right =P well usually high heights dont. So i might guess what the gravity hammer does ^^
chief runs towards her. she shoots. he usues his imba agility that you say he has ;/ (even though not noticed) she shoots with my favourite beam (wave beam) wich homes efen if you dont have a lock on.. Besides you might say that she could have a bad accuracy.. but in MP3c you can shoot however/wherever you’d like! (cuz of the wii mote) but you always keep pushing metroid down as if everything on her universe sucks the furious balls of Oden
What makes you think like that?
Why does’nt chief things suck in your eyes? i kind’a try to keep myself on his side sometimes aswell but not against samus lol._.
She is too superior for im. Why well i said it simple.. she could just shoot out a wave beam shot then she could use some missles (or one since in halo it is tha way ;O!) and BIFF BAFF he’s gone.. damn gravity kills him.. On samus it just as said “euhh” and tehn she’s up again… that’s why im on her side.. Ofc i would’ve been on chief’s side (even if im a metroid enthusiast) if he was (awfully superior as you explain him) but he is’nt so that’s why im standing on samus side..
well these are my words.. Chief is inferior samus is superior =)
Reason= simple.. chief’s weakness is his ehad right^^ so… a plasma shot (plus a lock on) could kill him easily.. its so simple xS!!
Aim and shoot! he’s gone! (guessing you’d say) chief would’nt allow the shots to come to him.. but a wave shot (repeat ye i know) and then go and do what the hell you’d like to him (while hes paralyzed) then he might be using that greanade thingy that protects.. well i dont think samus would’ve waited for it to dissapear then attack him -.- he’s just a normal human cyborg.. She is’nt as cyborg but she is’nt fully human either..
you as said keep adding things up! you say teh monster move slow.. on my screen they keep moving as fast as me :S!! why you keep adding things my friends(halo fans xD!) and me never saw on the games? is it your illusion :S im sorry i am actually being kind’a mean by talking like this but you seem to be adding things up! we dont need that xD! and even if you’ve added it up it wont work x/
This is like saying “THE CAT (chief) WILL KILL THE DOG(Samus)” “sigh”.. and I say “where the hell have you been living?
on January 17, 2008 1:40 pm
that what i meant with the greanade to wait for it.. i meant i dont think she would’ve standed in sight and wait for it.. i think she’d hide then go for his head…
Now i’ll say something that might make you angry xS but here i go!(this is not insulting against you so its cool cadre =) )
if Samus saw a price on Chiefs head that was on 1mil.. then the only thing people would say is.. Chief…. you’re a dead man.
on January 17, 2008 1:43 pm
haha cadre ive noticed something funny ^^ we are the one’s making this topic alive :D!
on January 17, 2008 1:44 pm
Oh and excuse me for being rude xS really!
on January 17, 2008 1:49 pm
pff i feel like an idiot than im multi posting..
but about the cat and dog part.. dogs(like dobermans) could easily kill cats =) just cleared the sentence up
on January 17, 2008 5:11 pm
obliviously ur born idiot like that.. and i dont like ur idea about MC (cat) Samus (dog) dont be a fool..
on January 18, 2008 11:24 am
“Well lad that’s your opinion and reason to chiefs victory =)” Didn’t get it. What are you saying here?
They move as fast as you because they are as good as you! Master Chief isn’t superior, he is most of the time inferior to his enemy and has to use tactical thinking to win, which is his strongest card against Samus.
Look, I’m not kidding. The mission on earth proves it! The gravitation of the earth doesn’t suddenly alter, we can safely assume it is the same in 300, 400 or 1000 years. This means that when you play, and look at the world through chief’s eyes, everything moves slow.
Now, like I told you before, chief does NOT run out in the open. Secondly, I think we defined that both are running about with default equipment, or Master Chief would be running around in a forerunner combat suit with double-quintriple overshields, super-strength and agility and blah, blah, blah. So no wave beams.
You may notice that dodging stuff while in morphball configuration is fairly easy in multiplayer, and Master Chief is highly likely to run faster than that.
And your analogy doesn’t work. Cats often “win” against dogs, by just scratching their sensitive nose. Again, by using strategic advantages to win over a superior enemy.
on January 18, 2008 1:28 pm
First for Spaguna8
on January 18, 2008 1:38 pm
Wow did i mock your favourite character? you probably dont know what i mean beanbrain… i meant if a cat attacks a dog then the cat would probably die..
And for cadre
what i meant is that all have different opinions =) what you choose is your choise ^^ we cant change it or change it ^^ it was’nt anything bad meant :D
and about cats and dogs.. the dog is a wild doberman vs a house cat.. who wins..
but lets leave this honestly =/ because these are games.. god knows he wins even if we say him/she/it has that n those.. games change everytime.
and i have to go to spaguna again.. its just a figure of speech.. its like sharks vs fishes who wins?..
aff i t hink im going to leave this forum soon =/ i mean its so damn F*cking addictive.. and all i wait on is hate letters :D! vs game characters.. hey im a metroid enthusiast/fan but the only thing i say is! screw this and lets play the goddamn games instead :D! and have fun with them instead of comparing.. i could’ve compared mario against chief.. probably chief would win but does’nt it differ from thier games? who knows maybe mario is more n shit.. it’s a game ;/ they change too often.. but sure feel free to argue who’s the best. Samus or Master Chief ^.^
as usual my word is samus wins ^^ and you probably know why ^.- (because its my opinion)
and well. tell me why is’nt chief running that fast =S Cadre stop saying that! i cant see him run fast (if i dont use speedhack that is^^) and i cant see him doing a “ultra fast dodge”.. ive never seen that -.- if he does please do tell with a video or so m8 =/
on January 18, 2008 1:40 pm
Oh yeah spaguna8… you’re dont like when i call chief something like that ^^ dude i dont mean that he is a cat.. lol
on January 18, 2008 1:41 pm
you dont like*
oh well.. cadre if you’d like to discuss this live be sure to tell me =/
on January 18, 2008 2:23 pm
Melso.. ohhh u say my name wrong.. anyway.. im the fanboy of halo 3 of course!! and ur fanboy of metriod… so let say.. samus is a chick as a CAT! and MC is a man.. as a dog…so got it cleary eh melso?
on January 18, 2008 2:26 pm
oh u know what… i take it back.. u be dog.. i be cat… thats cool.. bcuz those fairy tales wasnt alway right about dogs can easily win than cat does.. nah.. cat are faster than dog, can jump higher than dog.. boy.. i love cats!
on January 19, 2008 5:26 am
Erm Spaguna i dont know if that was an insult or if you just wanted to dislead me
Buuuut as i see it.. Some halo fans cant take it that thier beloved master chief dies or gets defeated.. So why do i try? why do i keep saying same things over and over again?
it wont work against fans like you guys..
even if those things i say are way superior some Halo fans dont! want to see it because they must see it thier way! Or else they might i dunno.. go postal on people… no just kidding but it is true.. you guys dont want to admit so why bother trying?
And i mean check this out
double-quintriple overshields
what the fuck xD?
why you keep making shit up -.-….(cadre that is now)
i told you to stop… But as i said before… Halo fans cant take to see thier beloved chief look different or act different… they just cant!! i would’nt be suprised if they said “MASTER CHIEF CAN KILL GOD!!” no it would’nt suprise me actually… So why bother trying.. lets just say this as it is
as Juggernaut said it..
Samus is superior Chief is inferior deal with it.. period
on January 19, 2008 5:32 am
And spaguna.. your analogy does’nt work either ^.^ why must girls be the cats >=) its one more thing with halo fans… they cant take defeat.. even if they see it right ifront of thier nose… its like if a halo fan saw chief getting magled they would say “NO HE KEELS GODD!! HE STILL ALIVE!”.
And squaguna wow you really took the name mistake awfully serious ^_-… you seem to be like one of the fans that cant keep thier rage in if they now even see something that changes chiefs appearance… i feel sorry for you ;/
Oh well soon Halo 3 will come to the computer and I’ll buy a Wii soon so then i can play both ^^,
on January 19, 2008 8:27 am
Y’know, every accusation you’ve made on Halo-fans is true for you too ^^
Okay, did you get the time-slowing-down thing thing? Because as soon as you do, it becomes obvious why I keep blabbering about it.
Oh, don’t feel sorry for me, I feel sorry for you if you haven’t been able to follow my arguments. ^^’
Okay, I guess the most extreme sprint you’ll find in the game is his charge with the energy sword. (And he moves a lot slower in the game than he does if you were to watch in real life.)
The quin-triple overshields were just a joke xD
The reason I said that is that both universes have different extremes of gear, and the Halo assortment is quite large, so if Samus is fully upgraded, why shouldn’t chief be so as well? The point is that you have to consider what level of gear the two have, relative to each game. It quickly becomes very complex, so midnightkey and I concluded that the easiest would to be to have both have default gear, i.e. there is a limit (and quite a limit as well) to how much gear Samus can have.
Besides, you’re constantly changing too, just look at your analogy. I think it worked quite well in the first place, Master Chief being the Cat ^^
I recommend to read Fall of Reach, it’s a real eye-opener to how chief actually is. If you have friends that are Halo-fans, perhaps one of them has a copy you can borrow?
on January 19, 2008 8:31 am
Well.. i dont have xbox but sure =/
but check this out.. found it on another topic
Author: Anonymous
Comment:
Sorry Halo fans, but I must side with Samus on this one.
He has, as pointed out, far less armor than Samus. And I don’t believe he has
immunity to Phazon missiles. Master Chief brings up a Bubble Shield? Samus rolls
in in Morph Ball form and uses a Power Bomb. Master Chief can use stealth
effeciently? Enter the X-ray/Thermal visor.
Seriously people, MC would lose. Badly.
Check… found it in another forum..
on January 19, 2008 8:32 am
Even if chief is fully upgraded it wont work.. Not according to me and others
on January 19, 2008 8:36 am
Sure, You’re correct about that fan thingie.. But atleast i can find her dead over something that is superior right -.- then you might ask what is superior to me? well chief is’nt…
on January 19, 2008 8:38 am
Yes, about the analogy.. You should understand what i mean by it… If you dont then it’s just denial
on January 19, 2008 8:40 am
But one thing you must agree that squaguna took it abit too serious that i harmed(with words) his fan char.. Atleast you did’nt wich is a good thing ^_-.. why is it a good thing? Well then it means you’re one of the calm fans.. Squaguna disproved it
on January 19, 2008 8:45 am
Thanks, I try very hard to be neutral. Not easy though, being a big fan of Halo games, and “only” a medium fan of Metroid series.
Wow look at what i found higher up :O! Are you a medium fan of metroid? and you’ve never played the games? Dude.. i thought you as a descent person.. but now you’re jsut lieing…
You have’nt read the comics.. you cant see chief defeated and you must look at the metroid universe as if it was the weakest universe of all times… Oh lord
on January 19, 2008 8:52 am
Wow, this is entertaining ^^
Well this is Samus Vs Master Chief right?
heh i love those two ;D But still i dont think chief would win against her =/ no offense guys but she is awfully loaded with loads of technology,brains,brawn and equipment =/ So is Chief but he lacks stamina.
So my vote will go to samus on this one.. Sry guys ;/
But honestly^^? why bother? why dont we just play the games and shut up ^^ its more fun to play em than to blam em =)
on January 21, 2008 10:26 am
Well Blues, many before you have tried to end a discussion like that, but you know, saying that one wins and cutting it off there never works :P
Melos: There are many ways to confuse thermic/sonic scans. Easiest way would be for Cortana to hack it.
All gear Samus (and Master Chief for that sake) has except default gear should be ignored (like stated previously), so that particular example doesn’t work very well.
When I say “Medium Fan” it means that I have played the games, but I thought they were good, but not awesome. It is not inevitable that I love the series because I played them! Stop over-interpreting! Liar? No, if so unconsciously.
I can see Chief defeated, but this is a game of probabilities not certainty. I can see how Chief can be defeated, but I don’t find those ways very probable.
You know, before you start saying these things, stop for a minute and see if anything you have said can be turned against you. About that personal attack on me stating that I can’t see Master Chief defeated, well, turn it around. Can you see Samus defeated? You certainly haven’t yielded much in that aspect.
You haven’t given me the impression that you’ve read the comics either. And I’ve asked a couple of times if I could get them somewhere. They’re hard to get your hands on!
on January 21, 2008 4:15 pm
wow… this argument should really cease.
simply?
master chief cant hurt her…
with bullets? hell no. they are obsolete in their time and last i checked, big guns and small explosives were all that chief has in his arsenal of DEFAULT weaponry
i mean perhaps… the spartan laser could phase her, but it takes a day and an age for that damn thing to charge up >__>]
so again im asking: how does anyone REALLY expect for master chief to achieve defeating samus aran???
this isnt saying that samus cannot be defeated [cuz shes come close to it several times] im just saying if she were to be defeated… it wouldnt be my master chief.
just ending with this comment cuz i thought it was great XD — Garreth on November 30, 2007 4:09 pm
“…if you think the covenant is bad…. wow. MC would get killed really quickly by the space pirates, Kraid and Ridley. Mother brain alone would ruin MC. I mean, saying MC can beat Samus is like saying a newborn baby can beat up Bruce Lee. I just don’t get it… Freakin unlogical halo fanboys.”
on January 21, 2008 4:22 pm
well im injecting the rest of it: [right after the first paragraph about the spartan laser]
…samus would have made her way to and completely dismantled chief by the time he were to try and use it.
please cadre – dont try and pull that bull about the energy that propels the bullet again…
once more… they are OBSOLETE in that time/world – if bullets were to actually hurt samus then im SURE that the space pirates would have resorted to that method loooooooong ago… [maybe is he were to use an energy sword against her - but she could easy combat that with the grapple hook]
chief isnt fast enough to succeed at hacking her suit and thus her visors. if he tried it she would probably go morphball and god forbid chief gets hit with the boostball ability [might be the end of his legs >_>]
on January 21, 2008 5:45 pm
It’s not bull at all. Just because it is a plasma ball, a laser beam, or whatever glowing radioctive fancy-looking fireworks, does not automatically make it more efficient! It may have a greater potential than chemically propelled bullets, but by your logic a laser-pen is a more efficient weapon than a gun.
Lasers and plasma may be more effective, but that doesn’t mean that bullets doesn’t work. If you use a bow and arrow against a modern-day soldier, you’ll still be able to hurt him/her badly with a good hit. I know Halo gives the impression that we use todays guns, but the thought that weapons technology has stagnated for 400 years is absurd, compare Halo guns to modern-day guns with care. It might be true if you picked up say an MP5 and emptied a mag it would hardly damage Samus at all. But that doesn’t necessarily ring true to the Halo guns.
Cortana would hack her suit, not MC. She isn’t dependant on visual, just communicative range. Which should be quite large. And after all, she is a hacker AI.
And that quote of yours doesn’t actually contain anything valuable… It just states “Samus whoops Master Chief”. Which you might as well just have told me yourself (and indeed you have ^^)
on January 21, 2008 8:41 pm
Hey everyone,
Just wanted to clarify that we do not delete comments unless there is a reason to do so.
Comments that do not follow our commenting rules will often be deleted. In addition, some comments may take longer to pass through our moderator than others. This is often due to the inclusion of links in a comment.
Thank you for understanding,
Chad-
on January 21, 2008 11:28 pm
again cadre… if the guns from halo were THAT great and could actually assist in defeating her then im sure the space pirates and all of samus’ other enemies would have tried using them to defeat her A LOOOOOONG TIME AGO
trust me… they’re not gunna hurt her
like seriously – think about it. and whats ur deal about the charge beams being fancy??? they’re not fireworks… they just work better bullets…
and im sure that the dynamics of the viara suit are pretty resistant to outside viruses [im sure the chozo thought of this when designing the suit]
and yes i agree 100% in that case – rurouni kenshin could beat master chief… a katana in a skilled hand outdoes a bullet anyday ^_^
BUT – his bullets arent piercing her armor… so yea
on January 22, 2008 1:47 pm
Okay, I’ll go through this one more time. I NEVER said lasers were less effective than bullets. All I said was that bullets might work. Not as well as “fireworks”, but they might still work. There are other reasons for why metroid people don’t use guns, where the most probable is ammunition, or rather the lack of need for it.
It doesn’t say anywere how effective the beams are, quantitatively. Point at official information that state how much more powerful the beams are, or exactly how powerful, and I’ll start agreeing.
(There’s a difference between a hacker and a virus, be careful there m8). Well, it probably is resistant, but it is possible to hack Samus’ suit, and if anyone could accomplish that, it would be Cortana.
on January 26, 2008 10:26 pm
and why do u think they lack the need for it???
[obslete]
its nothin offical that needs to be pointed out – its common sense
bullets vs. beam technology – think about it
and even if cortana could hack the suit, im sure the effects wouldnt be at all continuous
*ill admit thats one thing chief will have to give him sum time*
on January 27, 2008 3:25 pm
I have contemplated the energy/slug weapons argument, and I still find that your reasoning a bit… hasty.
Weapon creation is about more than just energy per shot fired. Your reasoning implies that the reason for why a society would exchange their slug-throwers is firepower, while I’m pointing out that there may be other reasons. For example, clarifying my previous point, that you never have to reload or carry ammo again. Just because they use beam weapons, doesn’t mean they have that much more energy per shot..
I agree to your assessment of Cortana’s powers versus the suit’s; it will just buy Chief some time, but 3-10 seconds of near-blindness in a combat situation could be enough for Chief to win (Not at once of course, but it could set him along the right chain of events).
on February 3, 2008 4:08 pm
Cadre
Heya lad im back =) Yeah im like in the greatest mood today so ima tell you something! Something so dang low it’ll make you ahte me :O! jk.. but honestly, why are you trying to change metroid fans minds.. there is no need. And the same for us metroid fans.. Why are we trying to change thier minds? If it’s not possible to do so (even maybe if some halo fans has agreed with metroid fans) It wont work for the loving ones =) I’ve been off a loooooong time.. not sure if you miss me or if you were happy to see me gone, but stop rabbling everyting up.. Cuz we will only repeat the hooooole argument to the beggining.. So a tip my friend.. go and play some other games (Or halo or metroid does’nt really matter) This is awfully childish fighting over game characters! Okay im a hardcore fan of metroid so i cant belive taht im saying this xD but it so childish.. and suggesting that you’re pretty old cadre (guessing on your intelligent writings) Why are you doing this? I left it long time ago (and i came back to check stuff out ;o ) but i did it with hesitations.. Waiting for hate letters against the char’s you love.. i mean i ahted the Halo games after i’ve been on this stupid topic! and i did also hate the metroid games (loved them at the same time except i could’nt play em) i noticed that halo3 seemed really fun when i saw pictures,screens (though it did’nt get nominated -in sweden-.. 2 games got 2 and wii sports got 5???) oh well. Nvm that.. But it’s kind’a uneccesary taht you try to change our minds.. since they’ll always stay as they are. Samus wins! and you cant change that!(our thought’s that is) i hope you kind’a understood abit what i meant
on February 3, 2008 4:18 pm
If not then ill clear my text up.. since i noticed it was kind’a random written…
Don’t try to say master chief is better infront of us! we wont agree anyways.. and we should’nt try saying samus is better infront of you guys =) you wont agree either
You’ve gotta admit that my words (some of em) make sence. It’s uneccesary to talk bout this ^^
Or, actually it’s your choise.. But im just saying.. Waiting for hate letters everyday isn’t as fun as it has been heard… Right =/?
Hey i dont really check stuff here but if you would like to email me of whatever’s in your heart then here is my adress melosbunjaku@hotmail.com =) (please don’t spam) but as said. Dont you hate it to await hate letters everyday on something you like ^^ it makes the games suck so badly.. Well Halo 1 isn’t fun since Halo2-3 is out xD same with metroid… Echoes isn’t fun because Corruption is out.. So my tip to you is! Enjoy some other stuff instead of wasting you fingers and time on this! (or if you like to do this then i wont stop you) but im just saying =)
on February 3, 2008 4:28 pm
Btw i was blues ;/
tryed to check your reaction if i changed my name =) tell me if it was a bad or a good idea..
but im off (or maybe i’ll check in sometimes) you guys can have fun fighting over game characters instead of enjoying thier games.. I think it’s a waste of time. But seeya Cadre.. Lots o love ^^ (not the homosexual way) amd Lots o love to midnightkey for helping me out fighting FOR THE JUSTICE o.. jk xD but for fighting with me ^^ even if he said he was about to leave the forum =)
(my mind has changed thanks to some sociality.. started playing wow.. had a nice guild.. they put me in different thoughts.. they didn’t really tell me anything but it was just the wonderful sociality and the loving that made me think like this.) so my tip is.. Find something that’ll make a great chattting community =) might actually make you feel alot better. Oh well Bye =)
on February 3, 2008 4:39 pm
Oh and one more thing xD why isn’t Gordon Freeman counted in ;D i mean he can take several shots (with armor.. wich he should have on since all heroes do) And he can carry a hole friggin pack of weapons ^^ you’ve got to admit he is kind’a imba right xD and he’s soo cool! ;O! well he kind’a is ^^ a professor that can handle all combine weapons.. Im not really a half life fan but my friend said “why dont they have gordon on that topic” so i thought yeah why not xD He’s kind’a awesome.. a doctor.. that eventually saves the world ^^ (i think)
The reason that im multi posting is that my ideas come part after part. they just Pop up
and my hand’s start writing =)
on February 3, 2008 6:51 pm
Why I do this? To express my convictions, to see and battle other’s, and believe it or not, I’m having a good time ^^ I wish I could get some hard data on Samus, it might end this discussion. I’m not unshakable in my beliefs, it is just that people have a hard time following me, and I admit I sometimes have a hard time following them. I just don’t feel like I have managed to paint the right picture of Chief, and nor that I have received the right impression of Samus Aran (at least when you look at the way you describe her xD ).
In any case, just because a discussion hasn’t lead to agreement doesn’t mean it hasn’t been good for anything…
The reason for why Gordon Freeman isn’t here, is that he after all is scientist with a doctorate in theoretical physics, and not a warrior. He is cool enough, and has his moments, but he isn’t tailored for war like Samus and Master Chief. He’s cool enough, but I’ve never really thought of him as someone who can whoop half a tonne of armour and warrior :P
Also, discussing this isn’t childish, it’s interesting. But in a sense you are right, because this discussion won’t have a lot implications on real life, and arguing so aggressively for something that is more or less meaningless is perhaps a bit pointless.
I have a group of friends which I discuss this with, and I’m gonna let them borrow my Xbox for a weekend and have them play Halo, and they’ll borrow me the Metroid games so I can play through them again. So I’ll just have to wait and see how that turns out.
But this is a little off-topic. As a matter of fact, no-one has actually posted anything directly on-topic in quite a while :S
on February 4, 2008 4:02 am
Yeah, well atleast you understood what i meant =) but if you like doing this then i wont be stopping you ^^ have fun mate =)
btw play multiplayer metroid ^^ it’s not that much of a multiplayer (more like a cheap version of unreal tournament) but it’s still kind’a entertaining =)
Oh and btw where you from ^^?
yesterday i wrote my letter 11o clock in the evening but still when i wake up 9 o clock in the morning you’ve allready posted your comment ^.- made me wonder how you could be so active that often =P
And where did ya get your name Cadre ^^? (my name melos is my rl name) The only game i’ve seen that word/name is on Metroid Echoes =P
on February 4, 2008 4:04 am
Oh and i’ve never played metroid prime hunters ^.- could someone explain how that is ^^ (dled a ds emulator but that emulator was like a raped monkey on a toiled looking bathtub) or if you know a good emu guys please do tell (a NDS emulator)
on February 4, 2008 8:30 am
The whole ASL thing isn’t relevant, but as the topic is dying anyway :P ; I’m a 17 year old norwegian IB student, and as for my name,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_cadre
Just to try to get things on the right track again, to summarize why you think Samus is better is for the same reason as Midnightkey267, that the Chozos who granted Samus her armour (and their blood ) are technologically superior to the engineering of the 26th century UNSC?
(Did you get my reflex argument yet? The one explaining the moon physics? I just want to get that one straight, it explains a lot.)
on February 7, 2008 2:20 pm
Oh well, im happy somehow that this is over and btw… Varför sa du inte att du var norsk ^^ jag e svensk (eller alban men bor i sverige :>) Ya know Chief talks alot right? And Samus usually shut’s up (if you count away the comics) Well in super smash bros brawl… she talks… HER FIRST WORDS! nah just joking but it’s actually bout time… even if her voice actor is abit fishy or funny. She talks (when you taunt) she says “is that all” and try me.. though nintendo made her too much “Yeah im a girl! suprised little boy?” that’s why it’s abit ridiculous.. i know this was off topic but metroid fans might like it =)
And Cadre.. You’ve made me like Halo ^^ Again.. i did like it before my favourite char got in conflict with him but now i dunno.. you made me like him xD.. Oh and the reason i became a metroid fan is also ridiculous… i thought “hmm what game should i make myself a fan to..” and well i ususally played metroid and won it over and over again
(my time.. 6:59 later it became 5:30 then it became 4:10 and stayed there for 3 times. then it became 2:59… talk bout luck..)
*cough* off topic again.. But Moon physics, is it that chief jumps high? cuz i might also understand why the monster fly to hell when you blow em away xD
But is it meant to tell peeps that chief jumps high ^.-?
on February 10, 2008 3:21 pm
(Hyggelig å se en fra norden iblant ^^)
Ok, the point is that the so-called “moon-physics” is in fact an example of Master Chief’s reflexes. It is not that thing’s actually happen like that (would be strange if there was moon-physics on earth, where you play quite a bit), it is because chief thinks and senses at such a rate, that everything appears to move slowly (he even remarks upon this in fall of reach, when he picks up a pin, drops it, and concludes that is falling too slow, even though the gravity setting is correct). It is because of his strength he jumps high (and hurls enemies far). The high jumping and time dilation adds up to the impression of the moon-physics.
So to sum up, fighting in the Halo universe isn’t any easier, it’s just chief that makes it look like it xD
I’m glad that I made a positive impression of chief ^^
on February 11, 2008 2:13 pm
Yeah, i admire peeps like chief.. Why? Well he acts it cool.. He does’nt seem weak or anything (even if i yapped about it earlier) but now lets think gamie and not fighty =) But I love Samus cuz she’s like “I can play with the pirates (further on when you become stronger) and chief’s the same (when you get the grip of your mouse or if you get a better gun) That’s why i love those games xD (Hidden ftw -CSS mod-)
on February 11, 2008 2:14 pm
You can mock the enemies in the game when you really know the games.. Splintercell ftw xD chaos theory especially.. why? well you can make em paranoid.. as said Play with em >=)! xD right ;D
on February 26, 2008 11:37 pm
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on June 2, 2009 6:03 pm
master cheif could kick samus's butt any time, any where…..(accept in lava)
on June 2, 2009 6:06 pm
ps. the comic master cheifs helmet should be changed.
on June 2, 2009 6:08 pm
and, what if mastercheif called in all the other spartons? what then?
on June 2, 2009 6:09 pm
excactly!!!! samus would get poned
on September 5, 2009 5:37 am
mater chief just owns