Metriod’s Samus (vs) Halo’s Master Chief (King Of The Game - Early Concept Art)
by Chad Lakkis on June 20, 2007 at 8:27 pm
We are working away on bringing our readers the “King Of The Game” series but wanted to share some early sketches with you in the mean time. Artwork by Kristoffer
There will be 32 different characters competing for the recognition of being pixel for pixel the baddest that ever called a console home. If you would like to take a look at the rest of the line ups you can check them out here. Enjoy.
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on June 20, 2007 9:07 pm
looks sweat! cant wait to see the finished product!!
on June 20, 2007 10:27 pm
Artwork looks killer man. Why cant we see larger versions yet? KJ
on June 22, 2007 7:10 pm
[...] Metriod’s Samus (vs) Halo’s Master Chief (King Of The Game - Early Concept Art) [...]
on June 23, 2007 7:56 am
Nise comic. =U
I was looking at your divisions and I’m surprised to see that Gordon Freeman isn’t there (unless I missed him somehow)
on June 23, 2007 8:15 pm
Pffft. Mastercheif kicks Samus’s ass any day.
on June 23, 2007 10:08 pm
I cant understand these comics, I have no clue whats going on.
on June 24, 2007 12:37 am
travis knight,
These are just early pieces of art, the final pages will be in color and have text on them.
Mad-
on June 24, 2007 12:49 am
Aaron on June 23, 2007 8:15 pm Pffft. Mastercheif kicks Samus’s ass any day.
Looks like we have a fan boy!!! (aww too bad Ryu wasnt up against link that would be awsome)
on July 13, 2007 1:23 pm
Looks sweet, but MC would waste Samus.
on July 15, 2007 5:28 am
ARE YOU GUYS RETARTED???
how could the master cheif beat samas? She has built in weapons on her armour and the master cheif is unarmed
on July 19, 2007 5:44 pm
you are right iced iron, samus probably will win out of the fight with masterchief and also that samus has more flexcibility and stronger weapons for example the anihilator beam(witch i think is the strongest out of her beam weapons) besides i dont think a bullet will penatrate samus’s thick armor that easly.
on July 21, 2007 7:06 am
OMG Samus. Samus is totaly unrealistic. A master cheif is much more possible than some chick who can roll up into a ball and has weapons built in with crap names like ____ beam. I have a hatred for metroid prime ever since I played it on ds. I decided that I wouldn’t go back to nintendo and stick to my humble xbox and pc.
on July 25, 2007 6:08 pm
Aaron ….. you should test Metroid prime on Game cube , because they are the god ones … not the ones on Ds….
on August 13, 2007 8:58 pm
you all think samus is the best thing MC would kick her butt halo kickes all other games ot of the whater halo p ones all other games
on August 24, 2007 6:00 pm
samus pwn3d youuuu
on August 25, 2007 12:21 am
Yes Halo is an awesome overrated game (Its over rated but still good)
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MASTERCHEIF AND SAMUS NOT HALO PLAYERS AND METROID PLAYERS
on August 26, 2007 7:45 pm
While Mastercheif is a more realistic character, if such a fight would ever happen, I have to say Samus would win. Not just because I’m a Metroid fan both games have very strong points. Samus out does Cheif in weapons, armor, and movement. Energy beams against bullets and High powered missles against rockets would give Samus the best out come. No disrespect to Halo, its a great game, its just Samus is the more powerful. Now if only there was a game where you could play co-op as both.
on September 15, 2007 9:20 pm
Master Cheif would dismount samus with 1 shot in he head with a snipe
on September 16, 2007 12:55 am
Understandable, however if Chief would do something so cowardly he’s obviously not much of a fighter, now if he grabbed a rocket launcher and shotgun then ok, theres a fight. Anyway, as soon as he got in far enough distance Samus could just turn on her thermal visor, locate him, and get out of the way.
on September 25, 2007 7:25 pm
Watch the video on you tube to see how samus would rape master chief. Airborne youre ignorant, samus suit is bullet proof, lava proof, pretty much resistent to any thing. She has much better weapons 4 her to use. She is much quicker than chief too. Chief would get owned.
on October 11, 2007 8:38 pm
Cowardess is one thing but to snipe is using tactics and skills. You also must take into action that Master Chief has both hands [i know thats newto you: for a character to have two hands, all of u metroid prime fans.]
and he is no cyborg. He is genetically enhanced for better reflexes, trained in the marines with extraordinary tactical intelligence and skills. He has a large variety of weapons, too. Samus’ faceshield also narrows her view. Take into consideration, also, that Master Chief has Cortana who helps him. Along with that, consider this: Master chief has an alliance with both the humans and the elites; who is Samus in alliance with. Sure you can call it cowardess, but in reality, it is a tactical advantage. If Samus were to have an alliance, hell, that’d be TACTICS. It is a matter of having the intelligence of thinking ahead. Master Chief has multiple types of shields, such as the built in shielf in the Mjolnir, The Deployable Cover, and the Bubble shield. along with thet the portable turret, multiple types of grenades; including grenades that set fire, stick to given objects, shrapnel, and deploy spikes. Master Chief has incredible strength and reflexes. Thus, my thesis of how… I belive Master Chief would win, though I must say, with a sad heart, Samus could win, depending on circumstances. fFor instance: say one trips. The other wins. a tiny faulty move gets either of them killed. or maybe the weather, r distractions. a number of changes or mistakes or anything could change the victor. I say, Overall, Either could win.
on October 15, 2007 8:07 am
The problem with Samus compared to Master Chief is that she has everything Master Chief has only multiplied with a factor of two to ten depending on the area.
Master Chief is a genetic altered human stuck in a man-made suit which is based on tech from a alien race that has been stalling in it’s technological development out of religious dogma. He has enjoyed human-devised marine training.
Samus is a girl fused with Chozo-blood and DNA so she can survive on their homeplanet, a planet which has a much harder enviroment then the MC has ever encountered. She enjoyed warrior-training from a race that specializes in creating warrior-races, the metroids being their ultimate creation. Samus is probaly on par with MC on a physical level and has received better training.
Her suit is also made by the Chozo, known as the most advanced race in the entire galaxy,which specializes in energy weapons, speed, mobility, lock-on targeting, a vast amount of scanners and being able to swim trough lava, take on hits from monsters that eat scarab tanks for breakfast and be effective in any kind of enviroment. Also, how much weaponry MC does have, Samus has more of them and then some.
Samus and her suit is a more flexible, powerfull, more adaptive, better information-gathering, better trained, better equipped unit and has a crap load of more expercience in any kind of field then MC.
Some say that MC is the more realistic one, well, just that is another reason why he will lose by default. Samus’ suit defies so many human science and physics, it shouldn’t be able to exist…in human scientists eyes, humans that also built MC’s suit.
Again, the match-up just isn’t fair because objectively speaking the MC is as powerfull in Samus’ world as a veteran Space Pirate who happens to have a rechargeable shield (that’s very weak againt energy-based weapons). They should have pitched Samus with Megaman really, and Master Chief with Duke Nukem.
Points in short:
Samus > MC by a huge margin because
Chozo tech > human tech
Chozo training > human training
Chozo DNA fused human = genetic altered human
Saving the galaxy from all kinds of races on all kinds of planets > fighting the same two factions on very similar places
Also, having a alliance is a STRATEGIC advantage you ignorant twit and Samus has an alliance with the Galactic Federation, but she’s a bounty hunter so she likes to work alone. And what does that have to do anyway with Samus and MC doing battle against each other, i don’t think calling in a squad of marines or elites is part of a DUEL (aka a fight between only TWO people). It’s like the halobots just make up reasons out of thin air, offcourse they have a lot of practice by somehow seeing Halo as a revolution in FPS-gaming instead of the very generic but good FPS it really is.
on October 15, 2007 10:45 pm
Well done Optimus, I was waiting for someone to express the purpose of a duel… plus, yet again, that Samus would win.
on October 16, 2007 5:44 pm
Okay, I’ve discussed this one a lot back and forth with my friends a lot. Doing Samus vs. Master chief is difficult, mostly because there is little knowledge about Samus that can be put into direct relation with the Halo universe(and vica versa), e.g. how much damage would a Halo-rocket do to Samus.
Secondly, the fight isn’t fair because Metroid is an FPS RPG, which means that you walk around looking for boosts to your abilities, weapons and armour. No such thing in Halo, you’re ordered about by your superiors. If you take a quick look at the Halo universe though, you find the Forerunners, an ancient(and extinct) race that has left behind immensely advanced technology(which would make them similar to Chozos). (A concrete example of this is that the forerunner AI 343 guilty spark suggests that Master chief should upgrade from a grade 2 combat skin(his current Mjolnir armour in Halo 1) to a grade 12. Which of course you have no idea how is available)
I can’t say I know any more of Metroid than what little prime 2 I’ve played, and what my friends brought up in the discussion. However, I’ve read the first Halo book, which pretty much explains the process of becoming a spartan, what implants they have, and the physical results of their augmentations and armour.
First of all, there’s hardcore training since you are 5 years old, you are pretty much treated the same then as a US marine would be treated at boot camp.
Then there’s the implants/augmentations, which include:
1 Carbide ceramic fossification
2 Muscular enhancement injections
3 Catalytic thyroid implant
4 Occipital capillary reversal
5 Superconducting fabrication of neural dendrites
(not necessarily in that order)
Number 1 means you have a virtually unbreakable skeleton, as your skeleton is fused with different compounds to make it super hard.
2. means that you increase the effeciency of your muscles, increasing both strength and stamina.
3. Gives you a growth hormone boost, which the reason for why spartans average at about 2.10 meters, or 7 feet.
4. More blood flows to the retina, giving you an extreme eyesight boost.
5. Alters your usual nerve/brain cells to work more effeciently. Gives increase in all mental abilities(intelligence, memory, and creativity), as well as a 300% increase in reflexes.
Then there is his armour. Note that it is actually not armour, but an exo-skeleton, meaning it boosts his movements.
so here are some of the results if you total his training(Spartan-117 is Master Chief’s codename):
# Capable of running at speeds exceeding 55 KPH (34.155 MPH). SPARTAN-087 was capable of running faster than the rest. Later on, SPARTAN-117 runs at around 105 KPH (65.205 MPH) during a MJOLNIR MARK V training exercise.
# Capable of lifting three times their body weight due to increased muscle density.
# Virtual night vision.
# Reaction times of 20 milliseconds. Significantly faster in combat situations.
# Capable of unprecedented teamwork that resembled “telepathy”.
# No physiological or mental instabilities.
(you’ll find this information at http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Augmentation_Procedures)
Take into consideration that Master Chief wighs half a metric tonne when wearing the full Mjolnir armour. This means the energy he has in one punch while running is probably more than a car hitting you on the freeway.
For it to be an even fight, you’ll simply have to consider what equipment Samus can have to match these specs(or you could give MC some of the upgrades that are temporary, like overshield).
So, knowing what Samus is capable at a range, I think it will come down to whether or not Master Chief can get into close quarters. If he does, there’ll either be morph-basketball or a good old-fashioned pummeling(remember that unarmed combat is an important part of spartan training). I’m not sure about this, but I think MC can outrun her too(even in morph ball). However, there is quite a limit to how many shots master chief can take(even with Samus’ basic equipment), so he’ll have to find sufficient cover or distract with firearms and then storm forward.
Well, if all things mentioned is considered, I think It’ll be an even match with a 50/50 chance.
on October 16, 2007 10:10 pm
nicely said Optimus but one fact about samus that u forgot to mention she can also access a very riskfull and dangerous mode any of u can guess..of courese its “hypermode” look it up on wikipidia HALO fans!!!!!!!! everyone i think u should stop posting things now that Optimus gave some reasonable FACTS well unless some OTHERS want to argue some MORE about this subject…
on October 17, 2007 3:20 am
Isn’t that the big problem with the Halo-fans? They know everything about MC but not one bit about Samus and just geuss that piling all the stuff MC has will make him a (better)match.
i know about the Forerunners and that the Covenant reversed engineered some of their tech, but the humans didn’t, they reverse engineered that what the Covenant reverse-engineered, that’s a big difference. So somehow equalizing the Forerunners with the Chozo (both could have been each other match) doesn’t apply to the tech MC is using (which could been redundant 2nd generation ForeRunner tech while the Forerunners achieved their 12th generation tech before they became extinct).
Samus was brought on the age of three to the Chozo homeplanet, then fused with Chozo-DNA so she wouldn’t die in three days because of the Chozo-atmosphere and then started training with the Chozo because the Chozo saw in her the perfect object to create a protector out of for the entire galaxy. Going from the Metroid comic that explains this Samus could, thanks to Chozo-blood and training leap about five times her own height and also have superhuman speed. Problem is that no one at Nintendo or Retro really bothered to give real specifics to what Samus capabilities are. But considering the Chozo envisioned Samus to do battle against Space Pirates and the Metroids, she will have received significant training from a race that created the Metroids.
Samus could be (without her suit) a more agile but less sronger version then the MC without a suit.
It is really the suits that make the difference and that’s where the MC looses big time because of all the reasons mentioned above. Even speed isn’t a issue because Samus suit has a speedboost ability that makes her so fast she can run trough enemies.
There is a huge power difference, now if they let both out of their suits, then we would have a 50/50 type of fight.
on October 17, 2007 12:03 pm
Thanks for filling in some of the gaps ^^
It is exactly my point that MC doesn’t have forerunner tech. I was referring to a scenario where it was granted to him from e.g. one of the monitors, which probably has blueprints for some serious tech stored in the database(considering all it is known that forerunners are capable of), and use constructors to build it.
However, I cannot remember seeing speed boost in the later games (wikitroid confirms this), but even if she had, I think the direction of running would be quite limited, and changing direction would be hard. And again, we do not know specifically how fast she is running.
About the jumping, is that with or without the Power Suit as extra weight? I can’t say I remember much, but using prime as a reference I’d say 5 times her height is a bit exaggerated. Same with running, doesn’t seem superhuman in the games. (although it doesn’t seem so with master chief in the games either, it is due to that he runs, and doesn’t dash. And more importantly, the increased reflexes are represented by that everything seems to be in slow motion).
Critique of Samus’ physical abilities aside, my point is that considering the amount of time that is spent searching for upgrades in the metroid games, a fully equipped Samus Aran with PED suit and all upgrades would whoop Master Chief’s ass back to the stone age. No question. Even with standard equipment and a normal power suit, Samus is at a great advantage. So this isn’t really a battle unless you do something drastic about either two characters.
on October 17, 2007 1:27 pm
The comic shows her as a 15-year old without a suit jumping out a ravine at least 5 times her height and then run off like the wind like she was Sonic. Personally i think the suit actually slows her down even if it does have its own servo-engines and everything (Super Smash Brothers Brawl hints at that, but that can possibly be explained as balancing issues for the game itself).
The lack of speed-boost in the Prime series is probably a design choice, a speedboost is more usefull in a 2D design then in a 3D.
on October 17, 2007 10:20 pm
oh for jesus of mother’s sake! come on guys.. as u can see Samus is for kiddies.. and MC is for much like teens and older.. Samus is like cartoon show on tv.. MC is like more realistic right.. i mean samus turned into a ball.. that;s for fantasy.. MC cant do into stupid stuff which is i like it! that’s not fantasy and i like it (ah i know MC is fantasy yes.. but Samus is way more toony fantasy) and i dont like it when there is Samus VS Master Chief.. it’s sooo stupid.. i will go FOR MC and i dont care if MC lose.. f*ck that stupid fantasy duel.. it’s so dumb! HAIL TO MASTER CHEIF!!
on October 22, 2007 4:55 am
@#$@ master chief!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @#$$ he will probably never win if there ever was a duel between them……….and i dont think MC will be able to meet samus in the video game world… well unless MC appears on super smash bros brawl then ill make sure to beat his @#$#en %$@%t @$$ by using samus and zero suit samus…….sorry ill stop posting stuff now
on October 28, 2007 6:10 pm
wow dude.. to Metriod GAY MAN… ur so LAME!! ROFL!! L-A-M-E-OOOOO!!!
on December 1, 2007 3:23 pm
if they both were real, Samus would probably win depending on how many energy tanks she has. teh ch33f is F**ked the moment his shields go down. Samus, on the other hand, can take an ass-whuppin so long as she has an inventory of tanks. anyone who has played the game knows that. The fight would be more fair if Samus did not have any surplus energy tanks.
on December 11, 2007 2:50 pm
Squaguna8
Her suit does look “fantasy”. But still i like it because of that Nintendo did some artwork on it instead… MC’s suit looks like a dirt biking suit.. lol its like they’ve said “hey guys how is the suit goin to look like? (other person) hmm today i saw my kid riding on his bicyckle in his brand new clothes n helmet i bought him. Maybe we can get inspired by that :D!!” i mean it is really cool.. But when it comes to yappin about suits then i might say that it looks like a rip-off of dirt biking clothes n helmet
Note that metroid is for teens aswell.. Rated “teen’s only”
on December 22, 2007 10:58 am
Squaguna8 - when you learn to type english, then perhaps your comment might be taken into consideration >_>
[otherwise] Optimus is hitting VERY critical points… because i have noticed that ban-wagon Halo fans [and that's most of you d*ck riders] only know the facts about Master Chief and don’t bother to analyze any possible rivals
Samus’ battled more than a planet worth of Space Pirates, Metroids, Motherbrain, [countless battles with Ridley >_>] and even her fellow bounty hunters. [i'd like to see Chief take on Rundas. hehe]
as it was stated above, Master Chief does take on the same two enemy forms in his 3 and i stress 3 games and almost always has help more than half the time! Samus has experience battling against far worse threats over a more vaster number of games.
and yes! Samus’ training and abilities GREATLY exceed Master Chief’s. When he fights something other than the Flood and can go up against a batch of Metriods without getting his life force sucked from his body then… maybe… he might give Samus a run for her $$$.
and weaponry??? Samus is equipped with a default weapon that shoots BEAMS OF ENERGY vs. bullets??? maneuverability, weapons, suits, skills - sorry Halo fans, Samus greatly outweighs Master Chief in all of these.
which alot of people would say is unfair… EXACTLY, it is unfair [that Master Chief would have to go up against her lacking the skills and weaponry to defeat her] Master Chief would get wasted by Samus - not to say that Master Chief isn’t skilled… she’s just clearly the better contender.
and whats this i hear about Ryu vs. Link??? thats not even a good match up - one is a technical fighter while he other brandishes a sword and an arsenal full of weapons…
>_>
on December 22, 2007 4:46 pm
midnightkey267- are u out of ur mind dude.. and hey my english wasnt very good.. bcuz i went to shit school and im deaf so now f**k off and hey.. reason why ur out of ur mind.. samus is for kids.. oh why is it so? bcuz of course, it’s too CARTOONY!! and fake ass guns and stupid fantasy stuff things.. i tried to play that game.. GOD TERRIBLE I HATE IT!! zelda ia wayy 10 times better than metriod!! and i like zelda, obviously i know it’s cartoon too.. so what, i dont care what u think of my options.. anyway… master chief is only new.. that’s lame to think of samus verus againt master cheif.. way lame.. i knew MC is wayyy better than samus, MC is fast learner than wimpy dumb blonde samus.. she is no good dude… IM OUT!! PEACE!
on December 22, 2007 5:04 pm
As a side note, if they were able to keep pace with each other, what happens when Chief runs out of bullets? Samus can only run out of missles, which the plasma beam alone is more powerful than. I mean whats he going to do then? Try to bash her with the butt of his gun? He’s too human, and too limited in abilities, its not even worth arguing about its clear Samus is too great for him.
on December 22, 2007 5:09 pm
Oh wait, Chief isn’t cartoony at all right? When he runs up to an alien and its screams and says in perfect english “You big bully!” Or “You killed my best friend!” THAT MAKES SENSE. It doesn’t matter what’s cartoon or fantasy, ITS ALL FANTASY. This will NEVER happen, its just a case of ‘what if’ and ‘if’ this were too happen we all just express each strengths and weakness, aaaaaannnnd Chief is too weak for Samus.
on December 22, 2007 5:11 pm
dude… master chief isnt much cartoony.. let’s say.. it;s like CHEAP CARTOONY.. got it right..
on December 23, 2007 2:23 am
No, lets say every Halo game has tried to throw quick humor in here and there. And Metroid has never had one goofy comment or scenario. Nintendo takes her serious because they have Mario, or DK, or Pokemon to be funny. Samus is their dramatic character, which is why they built her up and made her so great. I know. I’ve played and beat all Halo and Metroid games, soooo I know what I’m talking about when I say If either are being “cartoony” its Halo.
on December 23, 2007 2:53 pm
haha, all of you fanboys(sorry to you guys who aint) ask your self about your oh so powerfull master chief, do you really think that the authors of this battle will let him win? seriously, think it over “would they let chief beat samus” theres your answer.
in my opinion(ive played both games >_>) samus is the one who is gonna emerge victorious ontop of this mess, i got a strong sense the only reason you guys are picking MC is because you like the games(yes, halo 3 is a killer game and metroid doesnt have much compared to halos online part) but kudos to you if he wins (you bastards propbably bribed the authors >_>(or microsoft.. that would make sense if they bribed them, like they used isane amounts of money on promoting halo 3)
on December 23, 2007 3:39 pm
ummm… ok - well [jeez where do i start?]
Squaguna8 - on account of your english [i need say no more... it speaks for itself O_o] dont blame the world for your problems - 80% of my intelligence is what ive persued on my own
ALL of the facts that MC would get destroyed by Samus has been stated… i understand if some people refer to him favor him, but im sorry he simply would be outdone by her. Samus has dealt with threats worse than MC himself
and to keep things clear. . . Metroid falls under the subject of SCIENCE FICTION and if im not mistaken Halo also falls under the subject of SCIENCE FICTION. so to say that one is more cartoony than the other is a foolish thing to say. science fiction - meaning that everything shown can be scientifically explained… and last i checked science was the further from fantasy
just because one shows more blood and forward violence than the other makes it for kids??? [dumb ass] it opens it to a broader adience
and i agree Zelda IS better than Metroid so… for you to down a fellow Nintendo game is just… dumb [just because YOU hate Metroid doesnt change the fact that Samus would handle Master Chief >_>]
on December 23, 2007 4:55 pm
Oookay, Halo is suffering from a lot fans who are having trouble expressing themselves properly. Hope I can fill in a bit.
midnightkey267,
I agree that master chief is quite underequipped to face Samus, but yet not as inadequately geared as many Metroid fans claim it to be.
It is not entirely correct that Chief faces the same enemies in all 3 games. For example, Halo 3 introduced the flood true form, as well as armored brutes, and scarabs as active vehicles.
The help you get in Halo isn’t really worth anything (might be on normal or easy, but it is worth very little when you progress to Heroic and worthless when you play legendary (You are a wuss if you don’t play legendary). You do receive help in Metroid as well, from all the upgrades you get etc.
It is extremely hard to find enemies that act the same way in both games. Metroid is set in quite a different universe. You only know how tough an elite is relative to master chief, and how tough Ridley is relative to Samus. If you are to compare enemies, you’ll just have to state that one is tougher than the other and you’ll miss out on a lot of subtle, but vital points.
Personally, I’ll think you’ll learn more from how each character acts on a more fundamental level, i.e. just looking at gear and augmentations.
On an unarmed basis, I daresay that Master Chief outperforms Samus; from previous posts it seems that she suffers from a couple of performance issues while wearing her basic suit. If you have played the games, you may notice that the Hang-time when you jump is unusually long- This is because of Chief’s reflexes, that give a sense of dilated time. Normally, master chief jogs about. However, if you pick up a sword or hammer, you may notice that he charges his enemies. The running speed he achieves then (which is the equivalent of a sprint) as way faster than what you will achieve in the prime series. So in terms of unarmed combat, I think that Chief would win.
Your bullets vs. Energy beams doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, considering what chief is up against. Plasma weapons are energy weapons (that is, the type of energy you are considering (heat). Kinetic energy from bullets is energy as well), which master chief constantly faces. And, when you play Halo, you aren’t supposed to take any hits, you duck, cover and dodge most of the time (in a greater sense than in Metroid). So it is only fair to assume that chief will do the same, and that what kind of weapon samus uses isn’t all that relevant.
I agree that Master Chief is inferior when it comes to brute protection and firepower, I do however strongly disagree that he is inferior in skill (maneuverability I have already pointed out that Master Chief will exceed Samus). Like I said in previous posts, he has received extensive training since the age of 5, as well as participating in the human-covenant war constantly since then.
Again, the difference between Halo and Metroid is that the equipment level is static in one, and dynamic in the other. Samus constantly receives upgrades, while master chief is stuck with whatever he started with. Which is the main reason for why Chief vs. Samus is unfair.
If Samus was equipped with default prime gear and Chief with default Halo gear, I believe chief would win. In almost any other situation, it is a one-shot win for Samus, and the chances of MC winning are small.
on December 23, 2007 8:33 pm
uhmm yeah dude, sure.
so the fact that masterchief has also been altered with bioengineering is fair? if you can say that masterchief would win a naked fight with samus, then i dare say that if samus got some bioengineering like masterchief, he would be screwed?(more historically correct he is a cybernetically enhanced “SPARTAN” super-soldier.)
ok, so if she got bioengineering i REALLY think he would be done for, not even breaking a sweat(ok maybe a little >_>)
but drop the crap with “yeah but what if she was naked, what if they had no guns, what if, what if, what if” etc etc etc…
samus has got more skill, more experience, and you cant just start saying what if, all the time, then we could just start saying, “yeah but what if samus was born invincible. YEAH, but what if masterC was also invincible, AND had kill-invincible-girl cannon” SERIOUSLY, it stands as it stands, and thats how were gonna keep it, so dont give me nore more he got more skills, NO he got bioengineering!
and hey, im not trying to attack masterchief, i like the idea about him, but the fact is, that he doesnt really have as much character, style(cool armour suit though!) and history(it doesnt count that bungie suddenly starts pumping out halo background stories to hype him even more then those trillionfillion dollar ads)
masterchief 1 and 2 were only fair games, you cannot compare them to epic games like FF(based on story and character strength/personale) and so on, the thing about the game is that it got awesome multiplayer, and thats what selling.
like we all know how retardedly popular counter strike is, its not selling because of the aforementioned.
so, to make things clear, i like masterchief, but i like samus better but ive been really just in my thinkings about master chief and samus when comparing them on different stuff, please, correct me if im wrong or something doesnt seem fair, because this is what ive come to think.
on December 23, 2007 8:41 pm
*note*
as i said i dont like the “what if” comments,
but cadre you did it in a good way when you neutrally tried to explain how masterC and samus were on different power lvls and equipment scales(though please keep in mind hes bioengineered) and i also think you did a mighty fine and “just” review on both on them when comparing :)(more of those kinda reviews, less post with irregular facts and flaming and hate speech(and that goes for you samus fanboys 2(note, i am a samus fanboy i think ._.)
on December 24, 2007 6:54 am
Thanks, I try very hard to be neutral. Not easy though, being a big fan of Halo games, and “only” a medium fan of Metroid series.
However, according Optimus, Samus has been bio-engineered by infusing her with Chozo blood. This process was described in a comic, so Metroid apparantly also has an expanded universe. Check it out a couple of posts above. This does, however, not show in the games for some reason.
As for skills, you have to admit that Master Chief would at the very least be on par with Samus from spartan training and pure combat experience.
As for the if-if-if comment, you do realise that the “if” has to be there. I stated that the fight would be fair with near default gear for both. When you say otherwise, you are saying “yeah, but what if Samus had more of her gear etc. etc.” I do agree that it is ridiculous to move into purely hypothetical parts of the lore, but at what point on the timeline from each game they meet is relevant.
It is a bit awkward to compare FF, a pure RPG and Halo, a pure FPS. But if you look to commercials for Halo 3, you’ll notice that rather than advertising for an awesome multiplayer, they advertised with the epic storyline, with the Ark and end of the world etc.
I believe that the reason for why Halo sells so well, is because it has a little bit of everything. Epic storyline, good graphics, and great multiplayer. So rather than just multiplayer, a combination of everything. (Hm, I think I’ll stop there so this post doesn’t just advertise Halo).
on December 24, 2007 2:54 pm
and as a last comment i would also like to say that you need to quit the crap about masterC gets help from soldiers you imbeciles.
first, the soldiers suck, and aint no real help actually.
second, the human race is about to get wiped, do you think the human government would simply send out one supersoldier and then hold back the rest of the military, as if either he does it, or he dont.
over and out.
on December 25, 2007 12:06 am
well hey im not saying i hate metriod.. im just sayin i hate the way Samus do in the game.. it sucks… no offense. and hey… u misunderstood me saying Cartoony… now let me ask u real simple cleary question.. which game Metriod or Halo is way more cartoony? mmmm… and those both game is science fiction yes i know that.. and hey seriously… Samus vs Master Cheif… is wow… stupid chose…
on December 25, 2007 12:16 am
hey BaneWolf… Mc can fight as naked againt naked chick samus… well why? because i have read the halo book: Fall of reach and more books that i own.. Mc was a kid and went to military when he was 6 years old so does all childrens.. bcuz of course MC only last hope.. John 117 is MC u know that right.. anyway… he been fought alot military guys without super spartan.. he’s tough and smart! he does know how to do CQC (close Quarter Combat) i dont know why it wasnt in the game… just book.. sucks i know.. right now about Samus “naked” does she do bare fight? i heard she does do Sword, thats it??? if not.. im wrong.. and u tell me about it..
on December 25, 2007 12:21 am
BaneWolf.. “and as a last comment i would also like to say that you need to quit the crap about masterC gets help from soldiers you imbeciles.
first, the soldiers suck, and aint no real help actually.
second, the human race is about to get wiped, do you think the human government would simply send out one supersoldier and then hold back the rest of the military, as if either he does it, or he dont.
over and out.”
ah that wasnt quite true… all they do is TEAMWORK and they dont left anyone behind.. and hey Samus doesnt help anyone alot.. just finding clues, kill monsters and left… i mean.. what? pathetic..
on December 25, 2007 1:10 pm
Squaguna8 you misunderstood nearly everything i said, i aint gonna comment on that..
cadre, where are you hiding, i need an intelligent internet fight ._.(jk i luv u cadre
on December 25, 2007 2:36 pm
cadre - honestly if you were to pit Samus as she is at the beginning of a Metroid game against Master Chief as he is in the beginning of a halo game…
Samus would still win. equipping them both with their default weapons might make the fight itself fair, but even then Samus still overpowers Master Chief in the end. pitting Samus as she is in the beginning of prime 1 [with only her cannon and the morph ball would make it EVEN more fair]
squaguna8 - i agree. it would be an unfair fight [samus vs. master chief] but the fact still remains that the mass amount of MC fanboys seem to believe that he is unstoppable. this goes to show, he isnt. and now that they seem to notice, suddenly people are trying to dumb Samus down to his level to make the duel more sufficient [THAT speaks for itself >_>]
and banewolf: thank you… someone else in this argument sees reason. :p
happy christmas to you all! o
on December 25, 2007 2:59 pm
and bullets vs. beams of energy does make sense…
on one hand u have… a bullet. metal projected at an accelerated rate [ok. surrounded by energy] that can pierce anything with weaker properties on contact.
and on the other… a ball of energy projected at the same speed. the same energy that surrounds the bullet [intensified, concentrated and in a mass amount]
in reality, its that causes the bullet to do damage, not the bullet itself. image that energy but a larger amount of it concentrated into a ball and projected at the same speed
[wonder which will win...] cadre :p
on December 28, 2007 12:19 pm
Love you like a brother, Banewolf. Like a brother. Don’t get too mishy-mooshy here :P .
Hm, you didn’t really give me anything to work with in the other comment midnightkey267 xD So I’ll stick to the energy thing.
The point wasn’t comparing MCs weapons to Samus’. It’s pretty obvious (and damn all ignorant halotards for not acknowledging this) that the standard UNSC rifle is museum-material in the metroid universe (there is a small catch here, I’ll come back to that later). The point was that if you look to the weapons of the covenant, MC’s most common enemy, they use a similar type of weapon.
Point is, MC is used to clashing with enemies with far superior weapons, position, armour etc etc. Which is why I claim that he would have a decent chance of defeating Samus.
But let me get this “ball of energy” thing clear. Energy needs a medium to be transferred. In normal gun, the bullet is the medium for kinetic energy. In a laser, the photons are medium for energy.
Again, we don’t know what Samus actually fires, as a “ball of energy” is not an accurate description as this actually is impossible.
However: the most usual thing to regard as pure energy is photons/electromagnetic waves/light. In this case, energy is transmitted by intensity(amount of light) and wavelength (shorter wavelength means more energy). Shooting a ball of light is highly unlikely, and would require quite extreme physics bending. The more likely alternative, is that she fires some sort of light emitting thing (as most beams are bright and shiny). The most likely alternative here is plasma, but since she has a beam already named that, it should be something else. Which leaves one to only speculate.
In any case, energy beams tend to base themselves on heat, and fry the enemy that way. The mediums for heat do not use momentum to destroy targets, as they (logically) use heat. Heat is not a function of speed, and since there is no momentum to be carried to the target, it makes little sense to speak of speed in terms of energy delivery on target.
You do not actually know if the energy weapon is more powerful, you just assume it to be. It’s a bit like saying a fancy laser show is a better weapon than a rifle, just because the laser show requires more advanced technology, + it’s bright and shiny. That’s of course an exaggeration, but the point is that fancy doesn’t necessarily equal effective. It might well be that a bullet(s) carries more energy than some ball of light.
I know this sort of brings us back to the if-if-if comments, but a standard-issue UNSC Spartan Laser. The splaser is definitively on par with most of Samus’ beam weapons.
on December 30, 2007 12:19 pm
wow my comment just decieced not to show up O_o - oh well…
on January 5, 2008 9:55 am
Cadre
people say that MC started training at 7 not 5.
Samus started at 4.. Yes i know its wierd she’s a female and a kid but she’s been infused with chozo blood so that might explain.
But still why cant people see that samus is a quick manuver(dont really know the spelling of this word so excuse me for it) aswell? Is it because you dont want to? Please face facts Samus has a great head-advantage with energy and armor. And ill stil lsay this. That guy that say’s the metroid enemies look childish is actually wrong(f you look at echoes) they look more alike something taken from zerg(starcraft) but it still makes it good. And as i wanted to say… Chief still dies of a missle w/e the difficulty level is he dies boom glitz baff!! though on echose 2 player mode it does take hell o time to kill someone with a missle. People say Chief can like move or dodge away… Please play metroid foks.. and you’ll see that she needs to do the same, plus samus fights alone ALWAYS!(except in mp3) but in mp3 her allies becomes her enemies, so that
on January 5, 2008 10:00 am
“cough excuse me for the half letter”
fixed her lonelyness, and for chief that fights enemies that are like 1.80 cm (or 2.30)
go and check samus enemies. You’ll see that they are something hell o lotta bigger and higher strengthed
btw Chief hits samus and she dies you say.. Why wont she die when omega pirate smashes her with his claws? why wont she die when flagghra slices heer with his blades? and why wont she die when emperor ing runs into her in a high rated speed? And you think chief can kill her with one puny fist.. Yes i know hes been “steroided” but who says she’ll die of it when she can take much worser?
on January 6, 2008 11:40 am
Melos,
thank you for the correction, although at such an early stage in life it doesn’t make all that difference if it was 5 or 7 years.
However, you seem to suffer from the impression that combat is a turn based action where one opponent steps up to the other, smacks that person across the face, retreats to the original location, and braces for the other opponent to do the same.
The reality is that real-life combat is more about guile, wits and agility than brute strength and toughness, in which I claim Master Chief has an advantage over Samus. The advanced use cover, objects, and equipment is more important than e.g. the strength of a missile. It is extremely rare that two opponents with good tactical training will come running at each other in all-out fight.
You’re also arguing that MC won’t be able to take a missile, without anything to back it up except that a general enemy in metroid can only take a single hit. If you look to previous comments, you’ll notice that this issue has been brought up several times, and fact remains we have no idea physically how much strength there is in one missile(in other words, how the Halo universe compares to the metroid univerese). Simply stating that MC will die by being hit by
I was reminded now that the place where this fight is going to take place is a football pitch, which is a completely unrealistic combat situation that favors brute strength and toughness only. Real combat happens in an environment with far more variables. So in a football pitch, it is very likely indeed that Samus would win. In a real combat situation however, the fight would be happening elsewhere and the situation would be turned around.
on January 6, 2008 1:45 pm
god damnit cadre….
5 or 7 does matter in fact, i remember reading some shrink article in a baby magazine(i think it was) that children learns the most and remember the most around the age of 6(or below) its like their impressions and stuff like that are imprinted in their minds and further developed through the age, so it does make a difference :)
about the brute strength and such, i still beleive that samus is superior to masterchief in wits and strength, and ESPECIALLY in agility. you said that the arena favours brute strength. dude.. thats a + for masterchief, since men are born, with either 1) more muscles then women or 2) bigger muscles(they “lost” some because of the ability to give birth if i remember correctly) also, masterchief has always been shown as a very strong character, as for samus, its always been about skills and agility/reflexes and such, ive never seen her being able to flip a car fx.
but about the missiles i can only agree.. without knowing how hard the missiles hit masterchief, we wont know if he can stand a 100 or maybe just only 1. but i doubt that its not much since samuses gear is from the future of the universes most advanced race that specializes in training warriors…
on January 6, 2008 4:44 pm
I’m happy that people actually mode