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Retailers estimate that one in every three Microsoft Xbox 360’s sold fails leaving frustrated owners staring at the red ring of death, or worst a black screen that reads “disc unreadable”. When compared to other systems, former EB games associate Matthiew G said…

“Failure rates for all other consoles were not high enough for EB to consider revising their policies. Most other console systems have a failure rate of less than one percent, including the PlayStation 3.”

Not to be left out of the conversation, when another EB Games manager was asked if the store warranty was “worth the price”, he mentioned that the Nintendo Wii, with hundreds of units sold at their location has had ZERO come back as defective. We can hear Nintendo executives patting themselves on the back right now, no wait that’s just thunder.

A Best Buy associate who chose to remain anonymous claimed that the failure rate of the Microsoft Xbox 360 was in the ballpark of “between a quarter to a third” of the systems sold.

That said the Xbox 360 is the most successful console of the next gen bunch worldwide and has the largest market saturation to date with an impressive list of exclusive titles. Simple mathematics tells us that the more there are out there the more of a chance that some will fail, but 33% is still very high.

Microsoft stands behind their estimate that the Xbox 360 failure rate is within three to five percent, which they believe is well within the industry standard and in 2006 increased their warranty from 90 days up to 1 year. While they stand behind their estimate, it unfortunately does not seem to be accurate according to retailers of the product.

Based on a recent poll that was conducted by DailyTech with retailers nationwide, the Xbox 360 was unanimously named the least reliable gaming console in recent history. The high failure rate of the 360 has sent EB games officials back to the drawing board to revise their console warranty policy in 2007 and as a result the one year warranty price on a console is now nearly double!

“We had 35 Xbox 360s at launch I know more than half of them broke within the first six months (red lights or making circles under the game discs). Two of them were dead on arrival.” – said former EB Games employee Matthieu G.

Microsoft has made an effort in the realm of customer service to address the “ring of death” by adding an option to their customer support line (1-800-4MY-XBOX) called “three flashing red lights”. Those of us that still have the Johnny Cash “Ring Of Fire” parody still stuck in our heads, please try and control yourselves.

So while the 360 is the market leader with the Wii gaining fast, maybe consumers should be giving the Playstation 3 a second or “third” look before picking up a next gen console. While we admit that things are not looking great for Sony right now, the company is not going to roll over and die, Blu-ray is the current market leader, and the Playstation 3’s list of titles will only improve as time goes by and more developers familiarize themselves with it’s specs.

Source: DailyTech

Update: 7/5/07 – 8:20PM EST
Microsoft Responds To Failure Reports – Extends 360 Warranty To 3 Years
While most of the country was celebrating the 4th of July, one has to wonder if Microsoft’s legal department was burning the midnight oil, putting the final touches on new coverage warranty.

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  • And for all the high-falutin talk about the 360 and PS3, the little Wii keeps on plugging along and selling and selling.

    Usability is king.
  • jacksons98
    @keepingitreel Obviously the PS3 is "plugging along" too. The article was about X360 defects, something Wii and PS3 aren't encountering.
  • I said it since the beginning. QuALITY NOT QUATITY so good. Let people buy a 360. I got PS3 and Wii. Sony and Nintendo Always delivered what i need. Too bad people dont want to work overtime (if they cant afford it) to get a ps3. Now they will learn spend on cheap and you buy cheap. Spend on expensive you get GRADE A Quality.

  • GRADE A ********
  • Bozo

    It's funny that websites like GameSpot don't mention such news about the Xbox360, while they keep saying "Wii 6:1 PS3". It just shows how pathetic and biased media they are.

  • JC
    I feel bad for those XB360 fans who have had to go through the microsoft warranty exchange process... it is a painfull one. Where I work it is common to see 1-5 diffective XB360 systems sent back to the warehouse every week. I know fanboy-ism is real and I can understand standing by a product you believe in .. but even the M$ fanboys should be getting a little pissed!
    I was one of those people who waited outside in the cold over night to get my hands on a XB360 at launch, unfortunatly it was one that had the ring-o-doom so I returned it.
    I ended up buying a PS3 and it is a great machine, very functional. Of course I wish there were more games out for it but I do know starting this money until the end of the year there is a very impressive lineup going to hit.
    Back on topic, I do have great respect for Nintendo. Im very happy they are having success with the Wii. The Diffective rate for both PS3 and Wii in my store is around or below 1%.
  • Cat Eye
    History just keeps on looping & this time tapels hav turned to stop on good on somthin & bad on other.Xbox360 is great but only if Microsoft didn't rush...they say (The faster u go the more accidents u make) & thats wat microsoft did in long term...the PS3 did but in short term cuz theyv released the BEAST wounded ((no games)) but it still can be cured...& as for the Wii it was a good fighter,fast,strong but its already started to get tired.Anyway Xbox360 was a perfect lap rat for both Sony & Wii for a whole year thats y they both got low failing rates.however 360 is still the tough long term competitor for all next gen consoles.

    Nice topic Mad Gamer...but watch it...fan boys about to attack.

    (its not a war...its a challenge between three great game consoles...pleas dont mistake like Fan Boys)
  • B Maximus
    you have to understand that the 360 has been out for a year longer too, thus more damaged systems. just wait till the ps3 has been out for the same period of time and then we'll talk stats and figures. I owned a ps2 and it worked fine until my warranty ran out....

    by the way, I am not a fanboy of anykind neither of these companies are paying me to play their systems!!!
  • Bozo
    30% of the sold Xbox360 is equal to 3.3 Million units that are broken down! 3.3 Million!!!
    To see that huge number means that the problem isn't due to bad operation condition or use, it's due to a desgin error. Something wrong with the white box itself. That's why I think Microsoft brought the xbox360 back to the drawing board. The result was a more improved and maybe a more "reliable" product "The Elite".

    I understand that the Xbox360 has been out for a year longer than the Wii and the PS3, but it doesn't tell you anything but only one thing, that the Xbox360 is unreliable and the other 2 system are yet to be tested.
    It doesn't give or take anything from the Xbox360 if the other 2 systems turn to be as bad in reliability, which I doubt.

    Anyone can tell me which xbox360 fails the most? is it the one with no hard drive or the 20GB. Has the Elite version of the xbox360 broken down yet? is it a certain batch with a certain serial number? it is the one runs on a SDTV or a HDTV?
  • JC
    Yes the XB360 has been out for longer, the fact their diffective rate has not declined in two years means something!! Most launch systems have issues but the xb360 has been out for almost two years and their diffective rate has only declined by very little. This might sound rash, I believe electronic companies should be held accountable!! I believe in any region the diffective rate is above 25% there should be a recall.
    It realy is a shame the xb360 hardware sucks because their software is good.
  • chase
    i love the playstation i went 2 a friend house he was playing gear of war it looked so good i went out got an xbox360 2 month later red ring i took it back got my cash back if a system cant last 3 months theres something wrong i will never buy any kind of xbox shit again i dont care what game they come out with
  • A Gamer
    Well the truth's finally out, and Microsoft is still trying to keep it quiet. I can't beleive they haven't made a statement yet, if not about this, then about the new heatsinks they've been puting in refurb units. I wonder if the Elite has this new type of heatsink as well?
  • daniel
    hey, i have a problem, i live in Mexico and i have the three red ligths, does that numbe aplies for Mexico also?
  • JC
    I think that Matt is right... in fact I know Matt is right. Im not saying Im an EB games employee whos knows him or anything... but its true. Its gotten to the point when a customer who is interested in buying a xb360 comes into the location, I mention.. are you sure.. why not buy a ps3..

    To be fair and just. Ive worked in the retail environment for a very long time and every customer service rep knows they want to sell the very best product to your customer insuring customer satifaction and building repore to insure the return customer/sale. That being said.. I as a sales associate know that if I sell a xb360 there is a very strong chance this person could come back and ask me if I knew about these problems and never buy off me again. I just inform each and ever customer the facts and let them decide.
    Im not a fanboy, I just believe in products that work for my customers!
  • Dux
    Yes, I also feel bad about XBOX360 fanboys who are playing all these games that keep coming. What a waste of time. Me, I have a PS3 and 3 games that I've finished a couple a months ago. My PS3 is lying under my plasma TV because there are no more games to buy (only crap). But hey, who cares? I am so proud that PS3 failure rate is less than 1% (I wonder how good is a machine that stays un-plugged all the time and still manage to have 1% failure rate).
  • MRinQ
    @Dux

    All sarcasm aside, let us know how you feel when you are on your third Xbox 360.
  • Dux
    I am on my first XBOX360, my first PS3, my first PSP, etc.... I know how to deal with electronics and I know what ventilation means. I dont put them in the drawer, I dont pour water or other liquids on them, and I sure dont spin them in the air while still powered. Of course it is sarcasm, but I have too many unfinished games on XBOX360 while my PS3 is covering with dust (which I remove, of course). I prefer to spend one month playing and two week waiting my XBOX360 coming back from repairing then playing one month and then 8 month looking at my PS3. Also, the price for a lot of XBOX360 games is now so low that I can really afford to buy a new XBOX360 Core every 4 or 5 games. (ex. play-asia)
    You really missed the point: whats the use for such great piece of hardware if you cant have fun. At least you can have fun with XBOX360.
  • bobo
    "Also, the price for a lot of XBOX360 games is now so low that I can really afford to buy a new XBOX360 Core every 4 or 5 games."

    buy are new system??? I dont care how cheap the games are, im buying a console not a disposable lighter. Id rather have something dependable
  • Tom
    "Simple mathematics tells us that the more there are out there the more of a chance that some will fail, but 33% is still very high."

    Er, no. If you're talking probability, as long as you've got a reasonable sample (say, a thousand or ten thousand -- far fewer than any of these consoles has sold), you're going to be within the ballpark of the actual failure rate. If you have 1000, and 300 fail, the real failure rate is quite probably close to 30%.

    If there is any difference in the failure rates that is at all related to the number of consoles shipped, it is likely that as consoles sell more units, their manufacturers have more time and experience tuning the manufacturing process and more chances to fix mistakes.
  • chase
    i had 2 xbox360 fail on me there something wrong i refuse 2 buy another 360
  • valmorian
    "Simple mathematics tells us that the more there are out there the more of a chance that some will fail, but 33% is still very high."

    Simple mathematics also tells us that 33% is a RATIO. Seriously, how in the world did this get by?
  • Truten
    Really folks XBOX Live is the best online gaming experience I have every had.. The games on the system are fantastic.. But what is the use of having an awsome gaming system when every time you go to turn it on you are crossing your fingers hoping that you don't get the red rings of death. That was me.. Until my 360 finally died :(
    Now I have a PS3 and the games are begining to flow..
  • Skip
    It is very obvious that 360 will have more issues then anyone else, they have been out for longer, alot longer. Also, sooooooooo many more people purchased the 360 as opposed to the PS3. Wii is not even close with the processing power as 360 or PS3 so there is really nothing to compare. Wii most definitely kicks ass.
  • narcosis92
    360 isnt anywhere close to ps3 in processing power and its still a now 52% death rate failbox
  • chase
    so your saying because there making so many its ok that 30% of the 360 burn out
    the ps2 over 100 million sold and maybe 5% burned out
    theres something wrong microsoft who's willing 2 roll the dice on spending 300 or 400 dollars if the life span 3 to 6 months long not me
  • B
    Microsoft likes to sell bad products. Like vista, and now the now member, the xbox.

    PS: How is the elite doing in failure rates?
  • The Smart One
    some have said the reason for this is because the 360 has been out for so long, which is why there are more that get returned. that doesnt even matter when at launch they were getting returned. PS3's and Wiis have had minimal problems. The only defective thing on Wii was the wrist strap for the controllers.
  • Mrbiggbrain
    The 360 has had more problems then is worth it. its ridiculous that at ANY point a console should have a 33% failure rate.

    if i bought a cars been out for 2 years and the salesmen said...

    Salesman: its got leather seats, a 33% failure rate within the first 3 months, heated and cooled cup holders.

    me: what???

    Salesman: Heated and cooled cupholders.

    me: no the other thing.

    Salesman:leather seats?

    me: show me something else.

    salesman: well theres this one, its 8 months old, its got a 1% failure rate.

    id preaty much pick the second car. its a no brainer. 360's break in 6 months. so if the PS3 had the same problem, wouldn't see have seen it in its 8 months of service? i can just see a 360 fan screaming "ha i told you so!" 12 years from now when PS3's begin to break. "screw you sony! 90% failure rate within the first 12 years!"
  • TheD
    You also have to take into account the fact that EB Games/Gamestop's warranty system is basically over the counter. Many people simply took in their 364 day old system at the end of a 1yr warranty, and exchanged it for a new one. EB Games ships the consoles to their own repair warehuose for refurbishment, then re-sell back to consumers. So data from stores that takes returns in this manner is really not reliable for a survey on 'rate of failure'.
  • TheD
    ..... so by Christmas 2007 the PS3 and Wii 'Failure Rates' based on returns to EBGames/Gamestop will be similar tot he 360 numbers you see now.
  • Pimprovize
    Mrbiggbrain,

    Alright dog, I feel ya. But what if the salesman said that only 10% of the roads in the country support your car?
  • Bozo
    Sony have longer history with gaming console, they know how to make them and they have a good taste for games. Sadly for Microsoft their hardwares are as good as their softwares, full of holes and bugs, Ironically Microsoft can't solve xbox360 defects through the internet since they are hardware related problems, which is something Microsoft never faced and are not prepared for.
    Anyway, games are coming to the PS3 this summer,, just watch E3 it will be as soon as 07/10/2007, by this christmas I think Sony will have a good library of games for their PS3. while the rate of failure for Xbox360 will reach 80%
  • as of oct. ps3 will start its climb to the top and 360 will start it decent.
  • Wayne
    I own a X360, it's 1 years old and it's still running fine. Perhaps it's the way I use it.

    First of all, I have additional cooling fan, nyko installed. Next, it's place under an old coffee able with zero obstruction around it. maybe due to the fact that I'm a working adult with wife and a kid. i don't spend alot of time on the X360. I only use it a few hours a few time a week. max is 6 hrs in 1 go. Sometimes I can leave it alone, not touching it for weeks. Perhaps that explain the longevity of my x360. In my opinion, it' the xbox live capability that makes me decide on buying a x360.Xbox live contribut 40% to the decision.

    As for the PS 3, I not touching it until much later date. They must solve the pricing and games issue first. PS3 games may look crappy, especially the first few release. but as the capbilities of the PS3 is more utilised, I beleive it will improve more. Also, the amount of games available now in my opinion is just patthetic. Again, will have to wait till they have more games available. Finally. The controller. Hopefullythey do something to their controller. Most of us have use PS1 and ps2 controller before. Don't think it's a good design. The X360 controller is just nice.
  • Truten
    Well, looks like they finally admitted to their crappy hardware.
    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/801/801684p1.html
  • Truten,


    Yes, Microsoft did respond to the hardware issues that consumers were having and we published a story about it yesterday as well which you can read by clicking here.


    However there are some important things that current owners need to know, such as how and when their extended warranty rights take effect and what exactly Microsoft will cover retroactively in terms of expenses incurred by the consumer for past repairs.


    Mad-

  • braydon
    I got the xbox 360 when it came out and i leave mine on 24/7 the only time it isnt on is when the power goes out i still havent had any problems with it at all i play it around 4 hours a day and its still kicking it is all in how it is handled mine hasnt moved sense i got it home and hooked it up
  • Fido
    rrriiiggghhhttt.......you guys really have nothing to do in your live do you? Just buy the one you like and HOPE to God it won't heat up crash and that kinda stuff
  • Halo 3 this September!!! And also, my 360s a year old about and Its never had the three red lights, i always treat it right i give it breaks, i never block the fans, i make sure nothings crowding it. Do you think i got a good chance of my 360 not breaking?
  • irishmike75
    just sent my 360 back for the second time . red ring of ass. it sucks cause i really do like it
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