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As if the recent Xbox Live issues hadn’t caused enough problems, it now appears that you can actually lose an unlocked achievement as well. I’ve had a recent run-in with this disturbing occurrence, and as always, 1-800-4my-xbox’s Max was there to help me out — and of course by help me out, I mean annoy me while I try to connect to a real person.

It all started with a 400-mile trip home for the holidays. I met up with one of my friends to play some co-op Guitar Hero II, something that requires both people to be in the same room (no online play, which is why we didn’t do it before).

We decided we would try to get all of the co-op achievements while I was home because it would be a long time before we would get another chance.

To make a long story short, we got all of the co-op achievements except for 800k pair and millionaire pair (800,000 and 1 million points in a co-op song, respectively).

We had done pretty well on Free Bird so we decided we would try to get the 800k – it seemed doable if we rocked out hard enough. We played quite a few times, getting close but not quite breaking the 800k mark. We decided to rest for the night and try again the next day.

After a nap and some cereal, we were primed and ready to melt faces. After two or three attempts, we blew the doors off – 840,996 points. I was so excited that we finally unlocked the achievement that I immediately hit the guide button and stared at it for about 2 minutes.

We were so proud of ourselves that we actually took a picture of the newspaper score screen so we could remember this moment always.

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This picture is not doctored – we really are that sexy

Fast-forward about a week to today. Out of curiosity, I looked at my Guitar Hero II achievements to see what I had left, and to my surprise – no 800k pair. What the hell?

I checked my friends achievement list, and he still had the achievement. I know it wasn’t just a dream. So why the fudge don’t I have it? I thought maybe this was yet another problem with Xbox Live, so I gave them a call.

Once I connect to a real person, I tell him this whole story. After I finish he asks:

“Is this related to Halo 3?”

What? Are you fucking serious? I keep my composure (because I’m asking him for help, after all) and simply say “No, Guitar Hero II”.

He puts me on hold for 10 minutes and when he comes back, much to my surprise, he says that this is actually a known issue with Halo 3 and that I’m not the only one. I repeat again that it’s not Halo 3 I’m having trouble with, it’s Guitar Hero II.

“Oh, right. I thought you said Halo 3, but it applies to all games anyways”.

Basically, while attempting to “fix” Xbox Live, they’ve systematically been rolling back and recovering portions of their servers to weed out the bugs. Again, this is not the “official” word from Microsoft, but the guy on 1-800-4my-xbox said that’s what was going on. He seemed to know what I was talking about when I told him my issue, so that leads me to believe he’s not just making stuff up.

Now, for my problem, what I need to do is get another achievement on Guitar Hero II in order to update my account. Unlocking a new achievement should re-register my previous achievements, and re-unlock the one I’m missing.

Simple, right? No. Absolutely not simple at all. The only achievements I have left to get require 5-starring Hard and Expert (not gonna happen), getting a million points in co-op (doing that would get me 800k anyways, and I can’t do any co-op by myself), and getting 500,000 points on a song in single player (again, not gonna happen).

What if this missing achievement was the last one I could possibly get on the game? What would they do then?

I do have to give the “agent” credit, though. Most tech support blows smoke up my ass because they really have no idea how to help me. This guy at least found out about the problem and how to solve it. While I don’t know (and might never know) if it will work, it’s nice that it at least seems to make sense. On top of that, he didn’t treat me like I’m the idiot, even though he did try to make me think I was playing Halo 3. They never stop advertising that game, do they?

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  • Julianna
    medium?

    and you call yourselves hardcore?

    pfft
  • John Kershaw
    Achievement junkey! Good job I'm rubbish at these games, so am not likely to miss out on the hard achievements.
  • Know it All
    That sucks. I was hoping that you meant you could just get an achievement for any game but obviously you say right here:

    "What I need to do is get another achievement on Guitar Hero II in order to update my account."

    That is bollox.
  • Brandon Wilhoite
    I just had the same thing happen to me with some of my Mass Effect achievements... As in all of them from my 2nd play through... which were about half of my 35 achievements.

    I hope they come back by unlocking another achievement, if not I'm not going to be very happy.
  • Gamertag: Kumachan28
    yea, same thing happened to me. i got mass effect 2 and got the first like 6 achievements you can get on my live account. i was playing offline cuz i dont have internet at my house, but my points have never gone away when i reconnected to xbox live. but a few days ago i brought my hardrive over to a friends house so i could get the free dlcs i got from the special edition plus both armors and weapon. when i first tried to sign in my it said something like it doesnt exist. so i had to re recover my gamer tag, and then thats when my points went away from mass effect one and 2. and to top it all off, once i brought my hardrive back to my console, it wouldnt let me load the save data from when i got the armors and weapon... we'll see if that can get fixed as well. prolly just gotta bring my whole console and download it that way. i hope it works... achievements im not so worried about, but it is a problem id like to get fixed. (sorry it was so long, just really disapointed. MA2 is awesome!!)
  • Michael
    I know why you didn't get the acheivement. Did you get 800,000 on your hard drive? On your live account? If not, the acheivement was not recorded on your Live Gamertag.
  • Dan Landis

    I keep my profile on a memory card so I can take it with me wherever I go. I was logged into Live, and I vividly saw the achievement unlock. I have done nothing different with this game or this achievement than I have with any other game/achievement since I first got my 360. All of my other Guitar Hero II achievements I got that night are still there. This one, which I got 6 hours later, is the only one I'm missing... that I know of.

  • William
    The same thing happened to me in Mass Effect. So i have the achievements for the last mission and beating the game, but not for the first 4 planets. lol, my friends keep asking me how I beat it without even doing half the missions.
  • Mike
    Crying over a digital merrit badge. Do you want a cookie?
  • Krispy Demon
    I've had people get achievements on my 360 while playing from a memory card before without any problems, so I don't think it's that. It's saved to your profile on XBL servers as far as I know and has nothing to do with whether or not you save your game or not.

    Oh, and thanks. Now I have to go back and scour my games played for the last couple of weeks and make sure I didn't lose anything.
  • dobson
    well..the same thing kinda happened to me.. xcept my whole gamerscore got deleted..i had over 20,000 gamerscore.. and a 5 star rep on xbox live... and now my gamerscore is at 0 and my rep stars are all gone...xbox live sucks now..i sat on the phone for two hours trying to figure out what was going on and they have no idea whats going on.. it wont even let me play on that account now.. its terrible
  • I had the same problem of losing achievements. About 100 of them! It took about an hour for them to re-appear. I posted about it about a week or so ago on the xbox forums and apparently a lot of people have been having this trouble.
  • Dylan Duarte
    Are the people at Live capable of deleting achievements? If so, they should offer to delete an easily attainable achievement, so you could just get that one again.
  • andrew
    HEY!!! HE HAS THE PIC OF DESTINY!!!!! HE CAN PLAY!!!! GO MC GO
  • kaliberto
    sorry for all you guys... but it's also a shame they banned my account for no reason... i haven't modded my box and it still got banned... screw M$ and their achievements
  • BH
    Try recovering your account
  • nick
    i have recoverd my account like 8 times and my borderlands zombie island acheivments dont appeare even though i finished the whole dlc
  • Dennis
    Wow, this feels like the end of the world!

    I'm cold and frightened. What will we do when all of our XBL has been depleted and we can no longer feed our ADD?!
  • Kevin
    I wouldn't be a bit suprised if Sony or Nintendo hired hackers to do this so they could plug their own networks. All of this looks entirely too fishy.
  • Krispy Demon
    For all the Doom-sayers out there, I remember World of Warcraft had some growing pains at some point in time. The wait time to get into a server could be hours at times. While I don't think it's exactly the same thing, it is similar. People certain complained about it just as much. If people having problems getting access to WoW has caused them any long term issues, you certainly wouldn't know it by their supposed subscriber numbers.
  • ajc
    mann that totally sucks. i thought i was the only one with achievement deletion problems. not long ago after i beat nfs most wanted i went back and wondered why i only had 925 instead of 1000. and it seems that i didn't receive the achievements on one of the bosses i beat, but i knew i had beaten him because the game was over. soo i did the same thing as you and called xbox and they were horrible at game recognition. they didn't even know how to spell need for speed. ( i had to repeat it several times) soo it ended up that nothing was achieved. sucks though, at least for you there are still achievements to unlock (even though they may seem impossible) but for me the game is done. blehhhh!
  • Harth
    This happened to me when i played Naruto: Rise of a Ninja. I got all the achievements for offline, once i signed into Xbox live after my internet being down i lost all of the achievements. I then log onto the game it only provides me with 3 achievements for having everyone like you. Yet i should get 850 for beating the game and doing all the other activities.
  • Tom
    I also have lost achievements on Mass Effect and also every achievement on Tomb Raider Legend has dissapeared. Absolutly gutted!
  • Kurow Shinobi
    The same thing happen to me in Mass Effect, its says I unlocked 5 achievements, but when I look at the tall it doesn't add up.....yet it shows them unlocked.
  • Kurow Shinobi
    Also this happen to me in Naruto, which makes me wanna throw some games out the window again>
  • Sean
    I had something wierd happen on Halo 3 like this, my acheivements are still on my xbox, xbox.com, and bungie.net but all my campaign stuff simply disappeared on my hard drive. Ie: Lost all skulls, campaign completions, and armor purmutations. ???
  • jay
    im 100% with you guys. i damn think microsoft should put an end to this now! but sometimes its the game's understanding. you can think that ur gonna get an achievement but the game dont recogonise it. ive recently had smackdown vs raw 08 and there is an achievement 'this year's inductee' where for 350 gamerscore-points you have to win general manager of the year on 24/7 mode, iv'e done this SIX times and clearly won it as it tells me, but for some reason the achievement just wont unlock whereas other friends got it first time! seriously annoying! :@
  • Will
    well my rockbandachievments disappeared and now wont let me go to xbl and i log in to xbl but then logs me back out wont let me go to memberships neither Sux i had all guitar and drum achievments and 100% songs in guitar in drums and wont give them back by getting other achievment becuase i got 3 after wards but i dont care bout that haha care about it lets me log in xbl
  • Pablo
    I got a worst problem in Halo 2 Vista...for example i make a killing spree (Theirs an achievement 4 that) and when i check my achivemnts nothing....i have done a lot of the achivements on the list but only 1/41 appears omg and i dont belive my friend will belive me...he will say ima noob :(
  • Pablo
    Ps:Dont belive me? Add me im GRP Spartan 983
  • John
    I've recently had the same problem with Mass Effect, god that sounds like a common game to be having this problem with doesn't it?

    I've tried re-unlocking some of them such as collecting the codex entries for scholar, but that doesn't work, i've tried recovering my account, which doesn't work either, and I have also tried unlocking another achievement on the same game, this unlocks the one I just did but not the ones that have been locked.
  • Mataeus
    This all sounds like a load of crap to me. Achievements are stored on your local profile AND on your roaming profile, otherwise a) people who don't have Xbox live wouldn't be able to get them and b) if you recovered your account to another console your achievements wouldn't show up. The two versions of your account are usually kept in sync with one another, but the user can do things to screw this up. For example, if you just turn off your xbox at the plug instead of shutting it down on the console, you may cut the power whilst the local and roaming profiles are out-of-sync, resulting in lost data. You wouldn't do it to your PC, so don't do it to your Xbox. When you boot up your console, if you get an achievement whilst off-line it will be added to your roaming profile the next time you login, but the date you obtained it won't be displayed for it. (so, if you have any achievements without dates by the side of them that's why). Also, take a look at the size of your profile on the storage device. It's about 4 or 5 meg, right? Well, as you play more and more games you will notice this figure go up and up. This is further proof that your achievements are stored locally first and foremost, your roaming profile is only updated as a) a back up, and b) convenience. (ie you DON'T have to carry your profile around in your pocket, you CAN recover it to another console). So, the bottom line is this: Xbox Live, whether Xbox tells you so or not, can have nothing to do with achievements being 'deleted'. You've either not been logged into your correct profile (or you've had multiple people logged in and you've been suing the wrong one), you haven't read the achievement description properly (some achievements can only be gained by the HOST or LEAD PROFILE), or you've failed to shut down your Xbox properly or removed the storage device whilst the console is turned on, resulting in the risk that the Xbox could be reading / writing to the device at the time. The only way you can LOSE an achievement is through user error, your account being banned through Xbox live whilst signed in (as in banned from LIVE permanently, resulting in a loss on everything for that profile) or if you thought you've unlocked something but infact you haven't. For example, when it says 'unlocked' take notice of the lights on the sign that show you which player this relates to.

    End of.
  • ryan
    I have been playing on an account that I believe I made as an xbox live account, but i had never logged it into xbox live. I did today and all my achievements that i had gotten offline have now disappeared and i have a 0 gamerscore. This can't be normal?
  • i dont cheat
    i am soo sorry for everyone but this site explaines the all ( all u dirty cheaters ) http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/87620
  • Mataeus
    I refuse to believe many people here are telling the whole story... Ryan, if you recovered your profile from Xbox Live (which I suspect many of the people here are doing) then your off-line achievements will have a chance of disappearing as the two profiles attempt to consolidate themselves. For you in particular, it is possible that, when signing your profile up to Xbox Live, you filled in the information on the form as if you were creating a new gamer profile, which can be an easy mistake to make. The good news is of course your old offline profile will still be available on your hardrive. Sign in to that one, then sign in to Xbox Live from there.
  • ryan
    So far 2/6 games have instantly given me back all my achievements once i updated the game and started playing. The other four I guess i'm just out of luck. I was happy to get my ones from AC at least bc those took a while to do and I don't even feel like playing that game again. Theres 2 or 3 others I rented/borrowed that have potential but we'll see.

    Either way that's a pretty lame glitch to have all your game stats erased like that. My friend said the same thing happened to him once. At least I only had like 4,000ish points, could have been worse.
  • Mataeus
    Just for anyone else that seems to think my comments are invisible (as they seem to be) THIS IS NOT HAPPENING. Achievements are not disappearing for anyone, people are either MAKING THIS UP for whatever reason or they are NOT GETTING THE ACHIEVEMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Follow the rules of how to get a particular achievement and get it, make sure that's it's not THE OTHER PLAYER that's getting the achievement and STOP WINING this story IS NOT TRUE.
    Thank you.
  • Dan Landis
    Mataeus,
    As much as I enjoy being called a liar, rest assured that I am not a liar. I did not make this story up. I'm glad that you apparently have insight into everyone's Live profile and a deep knowledge of the inner workings of Microsoft, but you must realize that there exists the possibility that you have no clue what you're talking about. Sometimes things just don't work properly. I actually find your faith in "the system" somewhat disturbing. Next thing you know you're going to tell us that the red ring doesn't exist either.
  • Mataeus
    I apologise if I have offended you, and I realise my last post was not that clear. I did not intend the "This story is not true" element to imply that you made it up, just that you were mistaken in gaining the achievement on your profile, which I stand by. When an achievement is saved onto your memory unit under your profile, it's saved just like any other bit of local data; like a gamesave for instance. Dates that the achievement were obtained are irrelevant, therefore any roll-back of servers can NOT affect your achievement being on your profile. For them to disappear as if you never had them would consist of a piece of code that deliberately searches out and recognises a particular achievement and be programmed to remove it. Anything else I could say would just be repeating myself from earlier posts, so I'll leave it there. You say I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is of course entirely possible, but at least I use my technical background from years of software development right back from the 8-bit days (with System Masters) to attempt reasoning of my point of view. If you could provide an example of how this can happen which doesn't conflict with my reasons of why it can't, I would be most interested. I mentioned before it's possible for a roaming and local profile to conflict, but you can read about that above if you so wish.

    Regards,

    Mat.
  • Dan Landis
    Okay, Batman, riddle me this then: Why would the technical support people have a solution to a problem if it doesn't exist and, according to the use of your extensive technical background from years of software development, can't even accidentally happen?

    I understand the roaming versus local profile argument, but that is irrelevant because my profile is stored on my memory card and physically goes with me when I visit someone else's 360. Your theory is also not supported by the fact that the rest of the achievements I earned just hours before are still there -- only this one has disappeared.
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