lol

but really i noticed how bad my gta looked compared to my friends xbox 360.. and he had a big 480p tv, and it looks way better than my ps3 on an hd tv 720p… this is just not acceptable how r* screw us over

Razor: I’m not sure if you’re trying to bait me into commenting, but here goes.

I expect the problem is not the GPU’s but the memory limitations and Cell. In lamens terms – to use the PS3 effectively you have to split everything up into little chunks – if done correctly your engine will run very well….and you could have huge results. If you want to talk about GPU’s, they can be problematic on both: Halo3 was 640p in order to tile through the GPU’s 10mb edram while retaining HDR lighting.

It’s wrong to say Rockstar don’t use Cell to help with graphics – we have no evidence that they don’t. It’s true not many games do (though the list is growing), but it wouldn’t be right to conclude that Rockstar only use it for post-processing.

As for games that use the Cell for graphics, I’d say it would be wise to look to Ratchet and Clank, Resistance 2, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, MGS4, and Killzone 2 for the potential of using the Cell for graphics.

For more info on Cell usage in games, though not necessarily for graphics, visit this forum post: http://www.ripten.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49

PS3 on the other hand has a GPU equivalent to a Gefore 7900 and that GPU is starting to age nearly 3 years old so its not able to upscale on the fly or 720p with 2xAA on GTA4. But Sony had a counter plan and that was the Cell… Rockstart didn’t use the cell to help with graphics (as any other 3rd party ps3 devs) but used the cell for post-processing effects and the only dev team that has any chance to use the cell and gpu together is probably the guys who are making GT5.

From the sounds of it your TV is a 720p HDTV – I’d play games at 720p native if I were you – it’s better quality than 1080i.

I have GTA4 on HDMI.

Awesomeness.

‘Nuff Said.

Firstly, Quaz51 is highly respected in this area – he’s been doing it for a long time, and many since have joined him. His method is proven to be accurate (counting the steps) and he’s successfully discovered the resolution of a number of games. His first game to get noticed by the internet was Halo 3, which was then confirmed by the developers. Quaz has since been the source of every Eurogamer face-off.

It’s very odd of you to state that there’s no doubt the others are Sub-HD, but GTA isn’t – even though their resolutions were discovered by the same man and using the same method.

It isn’t a matter of 80pixels, unless you think your 1080p HDTV only has 1080 pixels (1080p has 2million pixels, whereas 720p has nearly 1million pixels). 640p is approx. 200,000 pixels less. As proven by Dark Sector, the differences aren’t that noticable when done right. It’s important to add post processing effects etc. so as to cover potential problems through upscaling (jaggies tend to be stretched), which Rockstar has successfully completed.

PS3 Native 1080p Games:

Fifa Street 3
Full Auto 2
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
NBA07/08
NBA Street Homecourt
Ridge Racer 7
Virtua Tennis 3
Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection

Xbox 360 native 1080p Games:

Fifa Street 3
NBA Street Homecourt
Virtua Tennis 3

About the memory, now that would require investment in SDK’s for the console, or direct relationship with the publisher or production house, that’s expensive, so I’m sure Patrick knows what he’s doing.

This type of information can’t be easily, or legally be ascertained by just anyone, that’s why I was really critical of it.

I admit I didn’t do too much research, and I did follow the links in the beginning, but the above note about the SDK’s is what really made me unsure, it’s something I’ve been researching. PS2 SDK (MetroWorks CodeWarrior, and Documentation) from Sony is 20K for 12mo, PS3 SDK is probably the same, the 360 is 12K without an indication of time (Probably 24 months) the three players in this next-gen console game got it under lock and key, no hope for indies anymore, it’s worse than ever.

Anyways. Sorry.

look into it, there not using a device to screen cap from hdmi signals, there taking the screen directly from the memory buffer before its upscaled.

the 3rd party forum as you call it beyond3d is where the poster Qauz51 and others talk about much complicated stuff and where the Qauz51 revealed the information in this article.

all of this story originates there and if thats not good enough source then theres no convincing you, don’t call patrick a liar cause he reported the news or because your too lazy to research it your damn self.

You must have just woke up one day, yesterday, and decided “hmm I think I’ll use internet”.

Follow any of the links here posted by ripten staff and you’ll find the guy who is behind it all and in one of his posts he explains in detail how he determines the actual resolution.

But hey, why should you have to read the source articles? Make the guy who reported it convince you instead. In your search for truth maybe you should google the cure for stupid, you might find there isn’t one.

It isn’t just internet conspiracy, developers are on record expressing there annoyance over the issue, so believe what the hell ever you want. 720p on the box? then don’t concern yourself with the goings on of scary people.