I am still yet to form a full opinion on Mr. B. Sometimes he seems really cool, and on others he seems like a man-boy making games about ginat walking cocks.

The man is right!!! I totaly agree with him.

yeah. . . well, i'd much rather rip all my game ideas from other games, too! (kill.switch), and while i'm at it, i'd like to make my NEW game exactly like the old one just with prettier graphics (ut3), and hell, why not use the same marcus fenix character model in every game? why spend so much time on story? kill switches gameplay is enough to carry the whole project!

Damn, there go my hopes for sneaking around in Gears of War 2. :(

I guess he did whether he meant to or not. Maybe he mean to as he said passive entertainment is on the way out.
I dont think thats right though. I think is just two different styles of gaming experience and its up to player preference.

hahaha

"Quote translated: "We don't make MGS because our Unreal Engine isn't designed to make MGS type games -- therefore MGS sucks. Also, I sure as hell hope we share 1/10th of the success the Metal Gear franchise did with their sequels otherwise I will be using this bayonet to saw off my foot and shove it in my mouth. Long live BLAAAAAAZNATS!!!!"

he is talking about the cut scenes, MGS4 is extremely cutscene heavy, he says the games he wants to make are more about playing the story and not watching it happen

O.o Cliffy B is known for his stupid comments and constant bitching about everything he doesnt agree with and everything that isnt pro HIM.

He even "dissed" his own company for making gears of war on the PC.

Cliffy B must have some serious mental issues or something, no sane person is complaining as mutch as he does!

The original Metal Gear Solid sold 6 million copies on a console with an install base of 100 million, and every MGS game after that sold progressively less. Gears of War sold almost 5 million on a console with an install base of only 19 million. Halo games have sold more copies on each subsequent release. Given the nature of Xbox owners and their buying habits, I think Gears 2 will do just fine.

No judgment there, I'm just saying.

And to think, I was considering buying a 360 just for Gears 2 but with that little comment, there goes any chance of me buying a 360. PS3 & MGS FTW!

if he actually put some of these "passive entertainment" cutscenes in his games, then gears might have taken me SIX hours to beat instead of five. long live mindless games with no story!!!!

1/10th the success of Metal Gear? As far as I know, GoW is doing just as well as MGS has done at this point. I mean, if you just start counting from MGS on the PSX. The both sold over 5 million copies. I don't see how you can possibly sit there and say that Epic is "hoping" that they'll be as successful as MGS. I mean, anything can happen, but considering that Epic hasn't managed to kill the Unreal franchise yet, I'm sure that GoW will be just fine. Furthermore, how is the unreal engine not designed to do MGS style games? What "style" of game is that? It's a fucking graphics engine and just off the top of my head I can think of several "styles" of game that it's been used it, including shooters, RPGs, and pinball games. I think that's more diversity than whatever engine used in MGS4 has shown at this point.

Besides, we all know that every Metal Gear game was two hours of play time and four to six hours of cut scenes and dialog. Hell, I beat MGS in the PSX an hour and a half one time. I mean, there are cut scenes that are over an hour long in MGS 4 and somehow you want to argue that it's not passive entertainment? How about this from Ars Technica:

quote:
Originally posted by max4677:
So of those 14 hours, how many are actual play time?


Probably 6, possibly 8.


So around half the time you're playing MGS4 you're just sitting there and watching it. How's that not passive? Don't get me wrong, I love a good story and I think it's very important in my enjoyment of a game, but you can't fault the Blazinator for telling it like it is.

"Blurs of gore 2 and Metal Grey boring 4"

sir ancient, you are a master slam-artist.

Shit! We need to implement a bubble system on this site so I can receive bubbles from sir ancient. Chad, get on that!

Clearly two different games.

I do believe MGS4 has more gameplay than cutscenes, and more gameplay than Gears of War 1. The SP campaign took me 24hours - 15hours gameplay, 9hours cutscenes (2-3 hours of that you can "play through" with the Mk2).

How many hours of gameplay was GOW1?

He is right in saying GOW is less passive than MGS4 - but MGS4 isn't a passive game. Moreover, GOW is a fast paced game, MGS is slow in pace.

Yeah of course Sir faggot, MGS4 sucks because its like a disney movie, stealthy, has an actual good story, that takes actual intelligent people to understand, and of course all disney movies are 18+, with use of strong language, sexual references, and violence and blood, how about if you ever get smarter, do this, watch the damn cutscenes, or skip them.

Krispy
two hours of play time and four to six hours of cut scenes and dialog, hmm, it took me 6 hours to rush through the game, and 12 hours to beat it the first time, so a good story = a bad game (MGS4) and a shitty story with lots of mindless violence = a good one (GoW, aliens are taking over the planet, help us, wait, thats the exact same story as Halo)
And the mgs style of games is stealth espionage action, the unreal engine has been used on mindless shooting games with a crappy story. And the MGS engine had to be remade for MGS1, then 3, and 4, thats 3 engines for one game of the same genre, because each game actually adds new gameplay elements to it, as all I saw with GoW II is chainsaw clashing and colours.

and btw I have both a PS3 and 360, and Im looking forward to getting GoW II, as it seems like it would be a fun game, as I do like to mindlessly shoot people for no reason, but I would rather a game with an actual story.

Wow Dan, you gave birth to a new star. I wish i was at Sir Ancient's knighthood.

"That guy": You can have whatever opinion you wish to have, but if you think Halo has a simple one line story, I.E. "aliens attacking oh no", You are an idiot and are sadly mistaken, there are 5, soon to be 6 books that elaborate and intertwine with the games so complexly, that you're inadequate mind would probably exploded at the thought of comprehending it, so think before you speak.

EDIT: Meant to write "explode" in my last post, not "exploded"

=P

Lets tone it down a bit guys (and girls). Bashing a game is perfectly fine, however repeatedly throwing insults at other readers will get you banned from commenting.

If you guys want to have heated debates about this issue please take it to the forums.

Thanks,
Chad-

@Dan Landis

"The original Metal Gear Solid sold 6 million copies on a console with an install base of 100 million"

So you are saying the PSOne had sold 100 million units by 1998?

*sigh*

Seriously... you need to get a grip.

Good lord, what have I done...

sir ancient, you are a douchebag. Take your douchebaggery comments elsewhere.

Alright everyone, I apologize for the continuous spamming of this comment area by sir ancient. He will be banned and his comments shall be deleted.

Chad-

Well, obviously. They aren't making a tactical espionage action game. They're making a piece of shit. I'm sorry but when I have to riddle someone with hundreds and hundreds of bullets to kill them or smash their head before they revive is bullshit to me.

I'm a bit disappointed with Cliffy B. for completely shafting a series that is as renowned as MGS. I've been saying this for the last while, games are getting less focused on telling us a story and more focused on just doing things. This is wrong, and the same reason why MGS4 is a good push for today's games.

Also, to whom spoke of Halo: you shouldn't have to go read books in order for the game to have story. Halo itself has a rather bland story after the first Halo, though the first wasn't exactly anything stellar either. It resounds of things like Alien or Predator. Hell the elites models are practically alien MEETS predator. The first Halo was the best, simply because it wasn't hyped to the end of the world.

Back to Cliffy; I sincerely hope that he apologizes for his insult toward MGS, though I'm not going to hold my breath on it. Here's hoping GoW2 isn't just another mindless shooter...who am I kidding...-sighs- and here come the fanboys! -hides-

Ben: the notion that Halo has a comprehensible story worth following is total bullshit. I know plenty of fanboys who like to cite the Halo books - congratulations, you can read - and that's very convenient, but I prefer to judge a game based on, I don't know, how about THE GAME. If it ain't on that game disc, it don't matter to me. Sure, it's nice to see a universe expanded upon (and I don't care if the books are licensed/approved by Bungie), but definitively, the thing that Bungie screwed the pooch on was story. For being Master Chief's "final fight", this was beyond lame. Good gameplay, though.

Sorry, I don't have a comment about Gears or MGS. Except this: Snake could kill every Gear in formation before anyone knew he was even there. Which is a good thing for Snake. Because if the Gears did find him, they'd saw him in half. Savages. Snake would just ground-hump them.

Yeah, the ps had 100 mil install base SEVEN YEARS after this game was released. Not to mention the fact that shooters are much more appealing to most gamers than tactical stealth espionage. Try to pull your mouth off of Cliffy Bs cock while your wikipedia-ing.

A Superior Entity (and BigBallsBarry),

I think you need to get a clue. Do you honestly mean to tell me that no copies of MGS were sold after its initial release? Yes, you are correct, the PSOne had only sold 54 million by the end of 1998, but I'm sure any mathematician would tell you that 54 million is much greater than 19 million. The 360 didn't have an install base of 19 million when Gears came out either, but you didn't bring that up for some strange reason (which is fairly apparent).

Bottom line is that people have continued to buy the Playstation and Metal Gear Solid well after they were first released. I don't see how looking at the total sales of a game versus the total sales of the platform it's on is not a valid statement, and quite frankly, I find your opposition a bit shortsighted.

cliffy b is a moron!! gears of war was a fun single player but multiplayer was a huge mistake 8 player online shooters are nut fun so last gen gow2 will be just cashing in on your enthusiasm ooooh more one more reason to justify the 5th 360 in 2 years more morons on the microsoft payroll dont diss next gen games appreciate mgs4 great things are coming!!!

THIS IS FALSE! On the Blu ray disc of MGS4: LE, CB was complementing the game! LOL!!! Nice try!

I agree with Cliffy B. The passive game is already gone in my opinion.

On that note - I will gladly watch/play another game of the quality of MGS4 than anything Epic is doing.

never bought any of his games so who gives a F what he says . mgs 4 is a masterpiece my opinion and i been playing games for 25 years. I never got into computer games so I wouldnt comment on that. Its funny how i been playing games for 25 years and never like none of his shiii.

"Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing."

What, a game with no story?

I 3> MGS

A girl leaves for work and look at all the fun she misses out on.

are you for real? this guy is a fag first of all, how can you hate on metal gear when its not even in the same league as GOW, i cant even slow my thought process down to make words come out that have meaning. this guy thinks he can just go out there and bash out 20yrs of gaming history, are you for real? when he was shitting in his diapers Hideo was coming up with ideas and making metal gear the game it is today. Cliffy is nothing more than a jealous kidd, with faggy blonde hair who doesnt know how to play metal gear, you know one of those kids who says " how come there heads arent exploding ". Cliffy your GAME SUCKS just like halo it was all over hype, and some cool graphics, let me see your bring depth and beauty to a game than start running your mouth and for you all kids out there who agree with him, remove your lips from Cliffys balls.

Don't know anything about war, mutilation, torture, and nuclear catastrophe being passive.

Go figure.

Why does CliffyB state the obvious? Gamers already know he's not into doing games with a fleshed out story and original (see: not paper thin) characters.

Mindless action and cookie cutter characters, with no story to think about, all the way, for the Gears series.. right? Right.

If you want a game with a story try the old point and click adventures or even normal adventure games, they dont feel the need to bombard you with hour long cut scenes. I loved the game but felt that the game was mostly cut scenes and when you've played all the metal gears your used to the gameplay so shoot through it giving you less actual gameplay time. Gears of War was shit full stop its for the kids who asked why theres no planes in GTA.

Seriously, CliffyB, dissing MGS. That reminds me of the knight with no legs fight from Monty Python. Sheesh, and this dude is like 33. Grow up man and lose the faux hawk.