Comments on: Pedophile Uses World of WarCraft to Meet Girls http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/ All Your Geek Are Belong To Us Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:03:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35483 sporkfjord Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:01:11 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35483 The only point I was originally trying to make is that there's no need to whip out the pitchforks and hop on the wagon right off the bat without all the facts. That's... it, really. And yea, that doesn't really roll off of the tongue so well. The only point I was originally trying to make is that there’s no need to whip out the pitchforks and hop on the wagon right off the bat without all the facts. That’s… it, really.

And yea, that doesn’t really roll off of the tongue so well.

]]> By: Dan Landis http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35469 Dan Landis Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:28:50 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35469 I also want to point out that the news article I sourced was Australian and they were the ones that deemed him a pedophile. I just went with "pedophile" for the article because "Guy Who is Generally Considered Too Old To Date 15-Year-Olds" seemed too long for the title. I also want to point out that the news article I sourced was Australian and they were the ones that deemed him a pedophile. I just went with “pedophile” for the article because “Guy Who is Generally Considered Too Old To Date 15-Year-Olds” seemed too long for the title.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35468 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:01:49 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35468 there was no shifting, but, if we go by your line of reasoning anything can be generally considered acceptable. there was no shifting, but, if we go by your line of reasoning anything can be generally considered acceptable.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35467 sporkfjord Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:57:47 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35467 Haha, no, I wasn't saying that. That's why the word 'generally' is there, as applies to 'crossing the line', a -general- statement that could apply to a lot of things. Once again, I'm saying exactly what I'm typing, so shifting my words around doesn't change what I intended to say. Haha, no, I wasn’t saying that. That’s why the word ‘generally’ is there, as applies to ‘crossing the line’, a -general- statement that could apply to a lot of things. Once again, I’m saying exactly what I’m typing, so shifting my words around doesn’t change what I intended to say.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35466 sporkfjord Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:55:36 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35466 So you can see there's other factors here based on the individual and their particular environment, including not only socialization/normalization (upbringing) but local law. Now it can come down to your particular morals on interpreting this, or you can go with legality. So you can see there’s other factors here based on the individual and their particular environment, including not only socialization/normalization (upbringing) but local law. Now it can come down to your particular morals on interpreting this, or you can go with legality.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35465 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:53:06 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35465 "I think crossing the line, generally, is when one is causing another to make a decision they wouldn’t normally be comfortable with" so...if a 7yr old thinks its OK to do it then its no holds barred in your opinion? “I think crossing the line, generally, is when one is causing another to make a decision they wouldn’t normally be comfortable with”

so…if a 7yr old thinks its OK to do it then its no holds barred in your opinion?

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35464 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:50:47 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35464 The age of consent in Japan is 13 years old under the Japanese national criminal law code. However, all municipalities and prefectures have their own particular laws such as Tokyo’s “Youth Protection Law” which prohibit adults from having sex with youths who are under 17 years old. As an added note, even though the age of consent in Japan can be 13, the age of majority is 20 for voting. The age of adulthood is considered 20 and driving age in 20. The age of consent in Japan is 13 years old under the Japanese national criminal law code. However, all municipalities and prefectures have their own particular laws such as Tokyo’s “Youth Protection Law” which prohibit adults from having sex with youths who are under 17 years old. As an added note, even though the age of consent in Japan can be 13, the age of majority is 20 for voting. The age of adulthood is considered 20 and driving age in 20.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35463 sporkfjord Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:45:27 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35463 Haha, mostly. ;P Anyway, I just didn't want this to become useless trolling. Dan, thanks for that bit - I made an assumption based on the plane ticket statement, which was my bad. I think crossing the line, generally, is when one is causing another to make a decision they wouldn't normally be comfortable with, but when someone is no longer a child is a much larger debate that has to do with the maturity of an individual, thus making it a lot harder to discern from society to society. If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese 'age of consent' is 13. This affects, and is affected by, a person's upbringing in that particular social environment. Haha, mostly. ;P Anyway, I just didn’t want this to become useless trolling. Dan, thanks for that bit - I made an assumption based on the plane ticket statement, which was my bad.
I think crossing the line, generally, is when one is causing another to make a decision they wouldn’t normally be comfortable with, but when someone is no longer a child is a much larger debate that has to do with the maturity of an individual, thus making it a lot harder to discern from society to society. If I’m not mistaken, the Japanese ‘age of consent’ is 13. This affects, and is affected by, a person’s upbringing in that particular social environment.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35462 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:27:27 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35462 she did point out an interesting thing though, when is a child a child? 13 or 10 maybe 7? in this world where everything is considered alright when are you crossing the line? she did point out an interesting thing though, when is a child a child? 13 or 10 maybe 7? in this world where everything is considered alright when are you crossing the line?

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35461 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:24:00 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35461 ah, Dan, you know that I was just screwing with her.....mostly......:P ah, Dan, you know that I was just screwing with her…..mostly……:P

]]> By: Dan Landis http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35459 Dan Landis Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:15:02 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35459 Would it change your argument at all if I told you that the girl in question is also from Australia? There seems to be this whole "halfway around the globe" argument that doesn't apply because they're both Australian. You're also looking at the facts from an American perspective instead of objectively, and by that I mean that 15 is underage HERE, but it's not underage everywhere in the world. Just something to consider when you start discussing who deserves the wood chipper. Would it change your argument at all if I told you that the girl in question is also from Australia? There seems to be this whole “halfway around the globe” argument that doesn’t apply because they’re both Australian. You’re also looking at the facts from an American perspective instead of objectively, and by that I mean that 15 is underage HERE, but it’s not underage everywhere in the world. Just something to consider when you start discussing who deserves the wood chipper.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35458 madpuppy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:06:24 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35458 quitter... blah.... quitter… blah….

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35457 sporkfjord Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:02:59 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35457 That wasn't intended to legitimize a relationship with a pedophile. I agreed with her statement simply because it is true that girls used to get married and be sexually active at 13, and only law decides what is technically a 'child' nowadays. I agreed with her because what she said is technically true. I never said it was right. In fact, not once in this conversation have I argued for right or wrong. It helps the discussion if you stop putting words in my mouth. However, now that you have used gender, immaturity and an emotionally and sequentially unrelated situation to try and prove a point that doesn't even counter mine, I'm through with this. Have a wonderful evening. :) That wasn’t intended to legitimize a relationship with a pedophile. I agreed with her statement simply because it is true that girls used to get married and be sexually active at 13, and only law decides what is technically a ‘child’ nowadays. I agreed with her because what she said is technically true. I never said it was right. In fact, not once in this conversation have I argued for right or wrong. It helps the discussion if you stop putting words in my mouth.
However, now that you have used gender, immaturity and an emotionally and sequentially unrelated situation to try and prove a point that doesn’t even counter mine, I’m through with this. Have a wonderful evening. :)

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35455 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:31:59 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35455 the correlation is emotional. not meant to be similar in any way to the article except for it's emotional value. but, sitting up there it would be hard for you to see that. I should have known you were a woman, agreeing with what seasonedsalt said: "I don’t think 15 is pedophile territory anymore. We’ve kinda come full circle on that. Way back in the day girls were getting married off at 10 and starting families at 13. Society got all “girl power” and tried to stop that, and now here we are with girls embracing their sexuality, getting their periods at 10, and having babies at 13 anyways. Only difference is that now they aren’t married." Nobody who has ever had children and loved them has ever agreed to that sentiment. only someone that is 15 years old themselves would use that logic to legitimize their own relationship with a Pedophile. the correlation is emotional. not meant to be similar in any way to the article except for it’s emotional value. but, sitting up there it would be hard for you to see that.

I should have known you were a woman, agreeing with what seasonedsalt said:
“I don’t think 15 is pedophile territory anymore. We’ve kinda come full circle on that. Way back in the day girls were getting married off at 10 and starting families at 13. Society got all “girl power” and tried to stop that, and now here we are with girls embracing their sexuality, getting their periods at 10, and having babies at 13 anyways. Only difference is that now they aren’t married.”

Nobody who has ever had children and loved them has ever agreed to that sentiment.

only someone that is 15 years old themselves would use that logic to legitimize their own relationship with a Pedophile.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35454 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:04:10 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35454 The problem with the scenario is it had nothing to do with the article. You went from someone's daughter being involved with an older man across the globe via the internet, to walking in on my significant other cheating on me in my own bed. I don't see the correlation. The problem with the scenario is it had nothing to do with the article.
You went from someone’s daughter being involved with an older man across the globe via the internet, to walking in on my significant other cheating on me in my own bed. I don’t see the correlation.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35453 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:01:34 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35453 well, that changes everything. there was no hope in the first place. :P you apparently don't know what deductive reasoning is if you couldn't apply the scenario to yourself. well, that changes everything. there was no hope in the first place. :P

you apparently don’t know what deductive reasoning is if you couldn’t apply the scenario to yourself.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35452 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:46:28 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35452 I'm a woman, actually. Srs bsns. And this is an article. On the internet. It's up for discussion, not meant to get personal, and thus I have the right - nay, the responsibility to be passive, so I can be objective. :P Anyway, I don't see what that scenario has to do with anything we've talked about, especially the bit about me claiming fault. If you can manage to tie that situation event-for-event to the things that I said to you, I will be amused for the day, and you can has +1 internets. I’m a woman, actually. Srs bsns. And this is an article. On the internet. It’s up for discussion, not meant to get personal, and thus I have the right - nay, the responsibility to be passive, so I can be objective. :P
Anyway, I don’t see what that scenario has to do with anything we’ve talked about, especially the bit about me claiming fault. If you can manage to tie that situation event-for-event to the things that I said to you, I will be amused for the day, and you can has +1 internets.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35451 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:32:00 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35451 ok, your apparently a real passive guy. If you came home one day from work early and walked in on your wife banging the milk man, would you sit on the edge of the bed and wait for them to finish so you can have a long conversation over coffee with the both of them to see what went wrong with you marriage, ask her how you were at fault? and how you can make things better? ok, your apparently a real passive guy. If you came
home one day from work early and walked in on your wife banging the milk man, would you sit on the edge of the bed and wait for them to finish so you can have a long conversation over coffee with the both of them to see what went wrong with you marriage, ask her how you were at fault? and how you can make things better?

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35450 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:22:57 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35450 ...That would warrant this discussion even having a basis. :P Simply, a lot of people jump to violent things like 'shoot them all' and passing people into a wood chipper from various angles before they even know all the details. I found it interesting. …That would warrant this discussion even having a basis. :P
Simply, a lot of people jump to violent things like ’shoot them all’ and passing people into a wood chipper from various angles before they even know all the details. I found it interesting.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35449 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:20:29 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35449 you got me, you never said he was right, but, you seem to think that other mitigating circumstances that would show........what? you got me, you never said he was right, but, you seem to think that other mitigating circumstances that would show……..what?

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35448 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:16:27 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35448 Case in point. When did I ever try and prove that the guy was right? Case in point. When did I ever try and prove that the guy was right?

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35446 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:07:00 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35446 I get what you are trying to convey, she could be a walking petri dish and have been around the block with older men many times, sure. There is still no way that you can prove to me that this guy is right. what he did was tantamount to cruising junior High schools for a chance to bang a slutty underage girl. I get what you are trying to convey, she could be a
walking petri dish and have been around the block with older men many times, sure. There is still no way that you can prove to me that this guy is right. what he did was tantamount to cruising junior High schools for a chance to bang a slutty underage girl.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35445 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:56:08 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35445 I'm getting the impression that you're missing the point of what I'm writing, so I'll just say, I don't know if I would like him to be banging my underage daughter. Because I don't know him. And I don't know what my daughter is going to be like when she's 15. And while I can see your point and I seriously doubt I would want her to run off with him, or anyone for that matter, a one-sided debate is pointless. I’m getting the impression that you’re missing the point of what I’m writing, so I’ll just say, I don’t know if I would like him to be banging my underage daughter. Because I don’t know him. And I don’t know what my daughter is going to be like when she’s 15. And while I can see your point and I seriously doubt I would want her to run off with him, or anyone for that matter, a one-sided debate is pointless.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35444 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:51:18 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35444 Yeah, he could be the greatest "fella" on the face of the planet, but, would you like him to be banging your underage daughter? Yeah, he could be the greatest “fella” on the face of the planet, but, would you like him to be banging your underage daughter?

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35443 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:42:51 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35443 LOL Dan. I know exactly what you're talkin' about. Yes, I spend to much time on the internet. Sorry about the double post but I just had to recognize that. :P LOL Dan. I know exactly what you’re talkin’ about. Yes, I spend to much time on the internet. Sorry about the double post but I just had to recognize that. :P

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35441 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:41:04 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35441 By no means am I suggesting that she should be able to just up and take off to see some guy on the other side of the world whom she met on a game. I'm just saying that out of the things this guy has actually done, we don't know that he is a 'scumbag'. In fact, there are quite a few things we don't know here - what kind of girl she was, what kind of other conversations they had, how much they 'knew' about each other, how long they had been in contact, et cetera. Nothing that would make it necessarily wrong or right, and I am definitely not saying 'let him off the hook.' There are a lot more factors than are available in the article to make it a worthy debate, so I suppose there's really no point anyway. By no means am I suggesting that she should be able to just up and take off to see some guy on the other side of the world whom she met on a game. I’m just saying that out of the things this guy has actually done, we don’t know that he is a ’scumbag’. In fact, there are quite a few things we don’t know here - what kind of girl she was, what kind of other conversations they had, how much they ‘knew’ about each other, how long they had been in contact, et cetera. Nothing that would make it necessarily wrong or right, and I am definitely not saying ‘let him off the hook.’ There are a lot more factors than are available in the article to make it a worthy debate, so I suppose there’s really no point anyway.

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35440 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:37:16 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35440 maybe I am getting old, but, if my young daughter was given a plane ticket to Aus and taxi fare to get to the airport so she could have an illicit relationship with some scumbag. a Wood chipper wouldn't be enough. and just because there are many,many young girls out there that risk rape, torture and dismemberment for some fantasy of l-o-v-e doesn't mean that they should be free to chase after it. maybe I am getting old, but, if my young daughter was given a plane ticket to Aus and taxi fare to get to the airport so she could have an illicit relationship with some scumbag. a Wood chipper wouldn’t be enough. and just because there are many,many young girls out there that risk rape, torture and dismemberment for some fantasy of l-o-v-e doesn’t mean that they should be free to chase after it.

]]> By: Dan Landis http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35438 Dan Landis Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:28:02 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35438 It's funny, Chad and I were talking about that this morning. That's the kind of person Digg brings in, apparently. SeasonedSalt does make a good case for the other side of this story, though. As wrong as American culture wants me to believe it is, I can't say I disagree with her. It’s funny, Chad and I were talking about that this morning. That’s the kind of person Digg brings in, apparently.

SeasonedSalt does make a good case for the other side of this story, though. As wrong as American culture wants me to believe it is, I can’t say I disagree with her.

]]> By: sporkfjord http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35437 sporkfjord Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:21:29 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35437 madpuppy - I noticed that too, but I also noticed that some of the negmodded comments were either dumbly phrased or needlessly violent. The guy didn't rape the girl (I could come up with some 'sexual messages' by the time I was 15), there was no mention of rape (in b4 the legal vs moral debate) in the story of him getting the 16 year old pregnant, and he has a 27 year old girlfriend in the meantime; the story doesn't make it out as though the 15 year old was resistant to the attention or the plan, and bearing SeasonedSalt's comment in mind, he doesn't necessarily deserve a nuts-first wood chipper excursion. If that seems too tolerant, remember also that there isn't a lot of detail on any of those points in this article. Or hey, maybe not. It was probably just some Australian guy that came through here. ;P madpuppy - I noticed that too, but I also noticed that some of the negmodded comments were either dumbly phrased or needlessly violent. The guy didn’t rape the girl (I could come up with some ’sexual messages’ by the time I was 15), there was no mention of rape (in b4 the legal vs moral debate) in the story of him getting the 16 year old pregnant, and he has a 27 year old girlfriend in the meantime; the story doesn’t make it out as though the 15 year old was resistant to the attention or the plan, and bearing SeasonedSalt’s comment in mind, he doesn’t necessarily deserve a nuts-first wood chipper excursion. If that seems too tolerant, remember also that there isn’t a lot of detail on any of those points in this article.
Or hey, maybe not. It was probably just some Australian guy that came through here. ;P

]]> By: madpuppy http://www.ripten.com/2008/06/30/pedophile-uses-world-of-warcraft-to-meet-girls/#comment-35436 madpuppy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:32:01 +0000 http://www.ripten.com/?p=5211#comment-35436 there must be a bunch of Pedophile (apologists) on ripten I noticed that anybody that said something bad about pedophiles was given thumbs down. sick bastards... there must be a bunch of Pedophile (apologists) on ripten I noticed that anybody that said something bad about pedophiles was given thumbs down. sick bastards…

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