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	<title>Comments on: PS3 Underdelivers Again &#8211; FarCry 2 Gimped?</title>
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		<title>By: BWS1982</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-100235</link>
		<dc:creator>BWS1982</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope to see a continual trend lean towards a very obscure difference, at best, and even show PS3 really using it&#039;s power in coming years. I think it&#039;s heading that way, we&#039;ve got Mirror&#039;s Edge lead dev&#039;d on PS3 and it&#039;s phenomenal on both platforms, and Dead Space looking excellent as well...As a PS3 owner (neutral owner, mind you, not a narrowminded fanboy), I simply wish Sony would have come up with the same powerful hardware, and made it easier to grasp. I may not be an engineer, but I can tell you from a common sense standpoint, ease of use and horsepower CAN go hand in hand. I am actually quite upset, if you want me to complain (if I have to show my neutrality here) about one aspect that I dislike on my console, and it&#039;s that it&#039;s a b*tch to port to. Games like Killzone 2 and War Devil and White Knight Chronicles, as well as ones already out (Uncharted, MGS4, and more or less Resistance 2, etc...) SHOW the PS3 can be wielded skillfully when grasped, it&#039;s the fact that it takes so much effort to do said grasping that aggravates me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to see a continual trend lean towards a very obscure difference, at best, and even show PS3 really using it&#8217;s power in coming years. I think it&#8217;s heading that way, we&#8217;ve got Mirror&#8217;s Edge lead dev&#8217;d on PS3 and it&#8217;s phenomenal on both platforms, and Dead Space looking excellent as well&#8230;As a PS3 owner (neutral owner, mind you, not a narrowminded fanboy), I simply wish Sony would have come up with the same powerful hardware, and made it easier to grasp. I may not be an engineer, but I can tell you from a common sense standpoint, ease of use and horsepower CAN go hand in hand. I am actually quite upset, if you want me to complain (if I have to show my neutrality here) about one aspect that I dislike on my console, and it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s a b*tch to port to. Games like Killzone 2 and War Devil and White Knight Chronicles, as well as ones already out (Uncharted, MGS4, and more or less Resistance 2, etc&#8230;) SHOW the PS3 can be wielded skillfully when grasped, it&#8217;s the fact that it takes so much effort to do said grasping that aggravates me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gidion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gidion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, When you write an article the way you did, you clearly wanted to get some reactions from Ps3 fan boys. (seems like you accomplished your goal)

With an article like this you not only annoy ps3 fan boys. When your journalistic skills go no further than draw a conclusion based on box art and later on defending it by referring to other websites it&#039;s poor practice. 

I just discovered your website, but after reading your article and the subsequent responses to users comments it seems that I have to lower my expectations regarding this websites content.

Ps I agree that x-box 360 has better multi platform games, I am looking forward to a properly conducted article highlighting facts and actual comparisons of multi platform games... or maybe not since I am convinced the xbox 360 will win hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, When you write an article the way you did, you clearly wanted to get some reactions from Ps3 fan boys. (seems like you accomplished your goal)</p>
<p>With an article like this you not only annoy ps3 fan boys. When your journalistic skills go no further than draw a conclusion based on box art and later on defending it by referring to other websites it&#8217;s poor practice. </p>
<p>I just discovered your website, but after reading your article and the subsequent responses to users comments it seems that I have to lower my expectations regarding this websites content.</p>
<p>Ps I agree that x-box 360 has better multi platform games, I am looking forward to a properly conducted article highlighting facts and actual comparisons of multi platform games&#8230; or maybe not since I am convinced the xbox 360 will win hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Landis</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93675</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Track,

You are right in that my original post wasn&#039;t clear, and for that I apologize.  I still stand by my opinion of the game, regardless of what resolutions they are displaying in.  I will have to disagree with your comment that I think everyone who disagrees with me is a fanboy.  It&#039;s simply not true.  I think a logical person reading through the comments can see who the fanboys are and who the people are simply arguing their case.  There&#039;s a huge difference.

As for you, theEnemy, if you want me to stop being an attention whore then you should just stop giving me attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Track,</p>
<p>You are right in that my original post wasn&#8217;t clear, and for that I apologize.  I still stand by my opinion of the game, regardless of what resolutions they are displaying in.  I will have to disagree with your comment that I think everyone who disagrees with me is a fanboy.  It&#8217;s simply not true.  I think a logical person reading through the comments can see who the fanboys are and who the people are simply arguing their case.  There&#8217;s a huge difference.</p>
<p>As for you, theEnemy, if you want me to stop being an attention whore then you should just stop giving me attention.</p>
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		<title>By: theEnemy</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93663</link>
		<dc:creator>theEnemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your topic is still a failure.

Stop being an attention-whore.</description>
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<p>Stop being an attention-whore.</p>
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		<title>By: track</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93661</link>
		<dc:creator>track</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan Landis:  Dan, your article as it was originally written (pre-ign amendment) didn&#039;t mention anything about the quality of the PS3 graphics outside of the resolution - it&#039;s disingenuous to suggest that people are being foolish by focussing on the resolution because YOU focussed on the resolution.  Furthermore, nowhere did you state that you&#039;d actually played the PS3 version, and the &quot;i&#039;m sure&quot; qualifier at the beginning of the first sentence of the fourth paragraph makes it sound like you *hadn&#039;t* played it.  I think people here regard the ign head-to-head as more valid because they&#039;d CLEARLY played both versions, whereas in your article it was ambiguous at best; furthermore, IGN actually mentioned specifics like the 360 version having a superior framerate, whereas your entire article as it was initially written just focussed on the after-scaling resolution with all your evidence coming from the back of the boxes.  After-scaling resolution is meaningless because (as SEVERAL people have already mentioned), 1080P tvs automatically scale any 720P input signals up 1080P (ie. it doesn&#039;t matter whether the 360 HANA chip is doing it or the TV is doing it).  

You&#039;ve also claimed that all the people who disagree with you are ps3 fanboys, which isn&#039;t true either: I don&#039;t own a PS3, have no desire to own a PS3, believe that most multiplat games look better on 360 (burnout paradise the only possible exception, and even then you&#039;d be hard pressed to notice the difference) and believe that the 360 has better exclusives (although I must admit I haven&#039;t actually played that many ps3 exclusives, so I can&#039;t really justify that belief).  But all of that doesn&#039;t change the fact the HANA chip in the 360 does EXACTLY the same thing as the scaler in a tv set, and as a few people have noted sometimes the scalers in their tv do a better job than the 360 scaler (as i said, i can&#039;t tell the difference so i just let my 360 do it).  The 360 is almost certainly the better multiplat console and with the possible exception of one or two games (uncharted, wipeout hD) the PS3 hasn&#039;t really done anything to show itself as a graphically superior console, but all of that doesn&#039;t change the fact they your original article was rubbish based around a total misunderstanding of what scaling is, what it does etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan Landis:  Dan, your article as it was originally written (pre-ign amendment) didn&#8217;t mention anything about the quality of the PS3 graphics outside of the resolution &#8211; it&#8217;s disingenuous to suggest that people are being foolish by focussing on the resolution because YOU focussed on the resolution.  Furthermore, nowhere did you state that you&#8217;d actually played the PS3 version, and the &#8220;i&#8217;m sure&#8221; qualifier at the beginning of the first sentence of the fourth paragraph makes it sound like you *hadn&#8217;t* played it.  I think people here regard the ign head-to-head as more valid because they&#8217;d CLEARLY played both versions, whereas in your article it was ambiguous at best; furthermore, IGN actually mentioned specifics like the 360 version having a superior framerate, whereas your entire article as it was initially written just focussed on the after-scaling resolution with all your evidence coming from the back of the boxes.  After-scaling resolution is meaningless because (as SEVERAL people have already mentioned), 1080P tvs automatically scale any 720P input signals up 1080P (ie. it doesn&#8217;t matter whether the 360 HANA chip is doing it or the TV is doing it).  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve also claimed that all the people who disagree with you are ps3 fanboys, which isn&#8217;t true either: I don&#8217;t own a PS3, have no desire to own a PS3, believe that most multiplat games look better on 360 (burnout paradise the only possible exception, and even then you&#8217;d be hard pressed to notice the difference) and believe that the 360 has better exclusives (although I must admit I haven&#8217;t actually played that many ps3 exclusives, so I can&#8217;t really justify that belief).  But all of that doesn&#8217;t change the fact the HANA chip in the 360 does EXACTLY the same thing as the scaler in a tv set, and as a few people have noted sometimes the scalers in their tv do a better job than the 360 scaler (as i said, i can&#8217;t tell the difference so i just let my 360 do it).  The 360 is almost certainly the better multiplat console and with the possible exception of one or two games (uncharted, wipeout hD) the PS3 hasn&#8217;t really done anything to show itself as a graphically superior console, but all of that doesn&#8217;t change the fact they your original article was rubbish based around a total misunderstanding of what scaling is, what it does etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Landis</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I don&#039;t understand why everyone is focusing on the resolution as being the sole reason I said what I said.  There is much more than the resolution issue.  I have played both versions and personally felt, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, that the PS3 version is not as good.  Nobody cares about my opinion and just dismisses it, but then I add IGN&#039;s head-to-head and all of a sudden it&#039;s more valid.

It would seem that the resolution is the only point of contention in an article discussing why the PS3 version is not as polished.  Even if I am wrong about the resolutions, which majority rules that I am (even though I was just talking about the boxes, jeez), it doesn&#039;t change the point of the article.  In fact, people claiming the resolution is actually higher on the PS3 only hurts its case because you are basically saying that even at a higher resolution the PS3 version manages to look slightly worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I don&#8217;t understand why everyone is focusing on the resolution as being the sole reason I said what I said.  There is much more than the resolution issue.  I have played both versions and personally felt, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, that the PS3 version is not as good.  Nobody cares about my opinion and just dismisses it, but then I add IGN&#8217;s head-to-head and all of a sudden it&#8217;s more valid.</p>
<p>It would seem that the resolution is the only point of contention in an article discussing why the PS3 version is not as polished.  Even if I am wrong about the resolutions, which majority rules that I am (even though I was just talking about the boxes, jeez), it doesn&#8217;t change the point of the article.  In fact, people claiming the resolution is actually higher on the PS3 only hurts its case because you are basically saying that even at a higher resolution the PS3 version manages to look slightly worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Concern</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93370</link>
		<dc:creator>Concern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am sure Dan is not being intentionally misleading, his ongoing attempts to justify his article rather than learning and understanding his mistake, just point to a lack of knowledge.

It is totally irrelevant what the upscaled output is. The only thing of relevance is the native resolution.

My amplifier upscales to 1080p, so does my television and by all accounts these particular upscalers are superior to one in the Xbox 360. If I plug the PS3 into my computer monitor, I can upscale the output to 2560x1600. woohoo!

But it doesn&#039;t matter. The native resolution that the game is rendered at is 720p. 720p displayed on a native 720p panel can actually look better than upscaled 720p on a 1080p panel. But all this is hypothetical; there are so many factors to consider with upscaling.

I just wish when people are in a position to post articles like this, they also did their research properly. Microsoft are just playing the marketing game one way, Sony the other. The experience for users is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am sure Dan is not being intentionally misleading, his ongoing attempts to justify his article rather than learning and understanding his mistake, just point to a lack of knowledge.</p>
<p>It is totally irrelevant what the upscaled output is. The only thing of relevance is the native resolution.</p>
<p>My amplifier upscales to 1080p, so does my television and by all accounts these particular upscalers are superior to one in the Xbox 360. If I plug the PS3 into my computer monitor, I can upscale the output to 2560&#215;1600. woohoo!</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t matter. The native resolution that the game is rendered at is 720p. 720p displayed on a native 720p panel can actually look better than upscaled 720p on a 1080p panel. But all this is hypothetical; there are so many factors to consider with upscaling.</p>
<p>I just wish when people are in a position to post articles like this, they also did their research properly. Microsoft are just playing the marketing game one way, Sony the other. The experience for users is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Steen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe that is true. To get 1080p support on either your Xbox 360 or PS3 you will have to tell the console your preference of output.  You cannot &quot;trick&quot; either console. I don&#039;t believe the Xbox 360 knows what resolution your TV outputs without you informing it.  

Moreover, upscaling merely means making the image bigger to fit your screen.  Neither console is particularily good at smoothing or improving the image for the larger size, with the PS3/Xbox 360 only performing smoothing upscaling for DVD&#039;s.  Most TV&#039;s upscale the input image themselves but Microsoft like to let consumers know if their TV is supported (all 1080p Tv&#039;s support 720p/1080i/1080p anyway).  Sony prefer to let consumers know the native resolution (except in the case of sub-HD resolutions. eg. Haze/GTAIV)

At the end of the day - there is no difference in the resolution of Far Cry 2 - there is no borking or gimping going on in the resolution.  Both are 720p.  It will only ever be rendering in 720p (or 1080i for PS3, recommended only for TVs that do not support 720p) - upscaling that image does not improve the rendering, only the size of the image. You will expereince no difference in the Xbox 360/PS3 upscaling to 1080p, than if the HDTV was left to upscale 720p itself.  If there is any gimping, it would be in the slightly dodgy framerate on the PS3 version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that is true. To get 1080p support on either your Xbox 360 or PS3 you will have to tell the console your preference of output.  You cannot &#8220;trick&#8221; either console. I don&#8217;t believe the Xbox 360 knows what resolution your TV outputs without you informing it.  </p>
<p>Moreover, upscaling merely means making the image bigger to fit your screen.  Neither console is particularily good at smoothing or improving the image for the larger size, with the PS3/Xbox 360 only performing smoothing upscaling for DVD&#8217;s.  Most TV&#8217;s upscale the input image themselves but Microsoft like to let consumers know if their TV is supported (all 1080p Tv&#8217;s support 720p/1080i/1080p anyway).  Sony prefer to let consumers know the native resolution (except in the case of sub-HD resolutions. eg. Haze/GTAIV)</p>
<p>At the end of the day &#8211; there is no difference in the resolution of Far Cry 2 &#8211; there is no borking or gimping going on in the resolution.  Both are 720p.  It will only ever be rendering in 720p (or 1080i for PS3, recommended only for TVs that do not support 720p) &#8211; upscaling that image does not improve the rendering, only the size of the image. You will expereince no difference in the Xbox 360/PS3 upscaling to 1080p, than if the HDTV was left to upscale 720p itself.  If there is any gimping, it would be in the slightly dodgy framerate on the PS3 version.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Landis</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93354</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is an option in the menu, but you are forcing the PS3 to output in 1080p by selecting it as the only option.  Leaving 720p as an option would result in the game rendering in 720p since that is what the game itself supports, hence the lack of 1080p on the back of the game case.  I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s not a perfectly legitimate way to get 1080p out of your system, it&#039;s just the fact that you have to make the PS3 ignore what the game wants to do -- that&#039;s the &quot;trick&quot; I was talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is an option in the menu, but you are forcing the PS3 to output in 1080p by selecting it as the only option.  Leaving 720p as an option would result in the game rendering in 720p since that is what the game itself supports, hence the lack of 1080p on the back of the game case.  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s not a perfectly legitimate way to get 1080p out of your system, it&#8217;s just the fact that you have to make the PS3 ignore what the game wants to do &#8212; that&#8217;s the &#8220;trick&#8221; I was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: JustWonderin</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-93224</link>
		<dc:creator>JustWonderin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is using a menu option on the PS3 tricking it? Its an option in the menu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is using a menu option on the PS3 tricking it? Its an option in the menu.</p>
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		<title>By: HI</title>
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		<dc:creator>HI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i give my tv a 720 signal, it doesn&#039;t display it 1:1, or try and upscale it itself, but runs at a lower, interpolated resolution. In other words: horrible jagged edges abound. With that in mind, i notice a clear difference between far cry played with the PS3 set at 720p, than at 1080i (the &quot;best&quot; HD signal my tv will take). One is interpolated by the tv, the other has clearly been upscaled by the console. 

So the issue here would seem to be one of marketting. Microsoft would probably argue that they&#039;re just trying to be helpful to the average layman consumer, in specifically telling them the game will display correctly on whatever HD tv they happen to have, and at whatever input standards it supports. Sony, on the other hand, would presumably say that they&#039;re quoting the native resolution of the game, and that to do anything else, would be to misrepresent the game&#039;s actual content.

I&#039;m no fan of sony and their attitude to proprietary hardware/software platforms, but in this case, i favour their approach. MS are clearly hoping that some people will be mislead into buying the game on 360, on the mistaken basis that it runs at a higher resolution. 

Either way, this whole article seems to be an unfair and unfounded criticism of the PS3. Both versions of the game run at the same native resolution (which far from being irrelevent as the article suggests, is really the only figure that matters) and both consoles will upscale the signal to 1080i/p. Their capability is the same, they just have different policies on box specs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i give my tv a 720 signal, it doesn&#8217;t display it 1:1, or try and upscale it itself, but runs at a lower, interpolated resolution. In other words: horrible jagged edges abound. With that in mind, i notice a clear difference between far cry played with the PS3 set at 720p, than at 1080i (the &#8220;best&#8221; HD signal my tv will take). One is interpolated by the tv, the other has clearly been upscaled by the console. </p>
<p>So the issue here would seem to be one of marketting. Microsoft would probably argue that they&#8217;re just trying to be helpful to the average layman consumer, in specifically telling them the game will display correctly on whatever HD tv they happen to have, and at whatever input standards it supports. Sony, on the other hand, would presumably say that they&#8217;re quoting the native resolution of the game, and that to do anything else, would be to misrepresent the game&#8217;s actual content.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no fan of sony and their attitude to proprietary hardware/software platforms, but in this case, i favour their approach. MS are clearly hoping that some people will be mislead into buying the game on 360, on the mistaken basis that it runs at a higher resolution. </p>
<p>Either way, this whole article seems to be an unfair and unfounded criticism of the PS3. Both versions of the game run at the same native resolution (which far from being irrelevent as the article suggests, is really the only figure that matters) and both consoles will upscale the signal to 1080i/p. Their capability is the same, they just have different policies on box specs.</p>
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		<title>By: BWS1982</title>
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		<dc:creator>BWS1982</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, to clarify (at least my point of view), it&#039;s NOT okay that multiplats are often superior visually on 360. Many PS3 owners (owner not to be confused with fanboy) will admit which looks better or plays smoother. I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s saying it&#039;s okay (if they are, they&#039;re fanboys). It&#039;s also not an &quot;excuse&quot; IMO. 

It&#039;s like if Jordan was sick for a game a decade ago, and his stats really suffered, it could be considered an excuse, but it&#039;s also a &quot;reason&quot;. I&#039;ll admit many multiplats are superior in the visual area for 360, but there&#039;s a &quot;reason&quot; for it, and it&#039;s NOT okay. Burnout Paradise, COD 4, Dead Space and many others look great on both, and it&#039;s hard to tell the difference, if at all. Obviously it&#039;s up to the dev&#039;s, because it&#039;s pretty blatant that great visuals can happen on the PS3 (exclusives AND some multiplats prove this). You don&#039;t blame the car for crashing when the guy next to you did fine in the same circumstances, it&#039;s who was at the wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, to clarify (at least my point of view), it&#8217;s NOT okay that multiplats are often superior visually on 360. Many PS3 owners (owner not to be confused with fanboy) will admit which looks better or plays smoother. I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s saying it&#8217;s okay (if they are, they&#8217;re fanboys). It&#8217;s also not an &#8220;excuse&#8221; IMO. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like if Jordan was sick for a game a decade ago, and his stats really suffered, it could be considered an excuse, but it&#8217;s also a &#8220;reason&#8221;. I&#8217;ll admit many multiplats are superior in the visual area for 360, but there&#8217;s a &#8220;reason&#8221; for it, and it&#8217;s NOT okay. Burnout Paradise, COD 4, Dead Space and many others look great on both, and it&#8217;s hard to tell the difference, if at all. Obviously it&#8217;s up to the dev&#8217;s, because it&#8217;s pretty blatant that great visuals can happen on the PS3 (exclusives AND some multiplats prove this). You don&#8217;t blame the car for crashing when the guy next to you did fine in the same circumstances, it&#8217;s who was at the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kershaw</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-91151</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kershaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they both render at 720, but the PS3 box doesn&#039;t say it can be upscaled?

God the PS3 is so shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they both render at 720, but the PS3 box doesn&#8217;t say it can be upscaled?</p>
<p>God the PS3 is so shit.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90739</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every HD television will upscale incoming video to the television&#039;s native resolution. Upscaling does not increase the resolution, it&#039;s just a marketing gimmick like diet-whatever.

if your running a game at ?640x480? on your PC with a 1920x1080 monitor (fullscreen),  it&#039;s being upscaled to 1080p. It doesn&#039;t make it any prettier.

So if your blessed with a hd1080 tv, whatever your playing with will be upscaled.

And someone please explain how &quot;minor irritation for some&quot; = gimped?

I think the developers should be praise for trying to create an equal experience on all platforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every HD television will upscale incoming video to the television&#8217;s native resolution. Upscaling does not increase the resolution, it&#8217;s just a marketing gimmick like diet-whatever.</p>
<p>if your running a game at ?640&#215;480? on your PC with a 1920&#215;1080 monitor (fullscreen),  it&#8217;s being upscaled to 1080p. It doesn&#8217;t make it any prettier.</p>
<p>So if your blessed with a hd1080 tv, whatever your playing with will be upscaled.</p>
<p>And someone please explain how &#8220;minor irritation for some&#8221; = gimped?</p>
<p>I think the developers should be praise for trying to create an equal experience on all platforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Landis</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90594</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see what that was? That was an excuse.  What difference does it make? You are making excuses for why the games are worse while at the same time refusing to admit that the games are worse.  You fanboys make absolutely no sense at all.  Yeah, it&#039;s okay for the PS3 to get a bad port of a game because porting is really hard.  It&#039;s okay if the visuals aren&#039;t as good because the resolution is higher, which obviously isn&#039;t helping anything because it still looks worse. 

Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see what that was? That was an excuse.  What difference does it make? You are making excuses for why the games are worse while at the same time refusing to admit that the games are worse.  You fanboys make absolutely no sense at all.  Yeah, it&#8217;s okay for the PS3 to get a bad port of a game because porting is really hard.  It&#8217;s okay if the visuals aren&#8217;t as good because the resolution is higher, which obviously isn&#8217;t helping anything because it still looks worse. </p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Liquid</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90585</link>
		<dc:creator>Liquid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo saber, I don&#039;t know if you realize by now that 90% of multiplatform games are ported to ps3 and its not easy.  If it was the other way around, it would be a different story.  Let&#039;s see them port games like Metal Gear to xbox and see what happens you xbot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo saber, I don&#8217;t know if you realize by now that 90% of multiplatform games are ported to ps3 and its not easy.  If it was the other way around, it would be a different story.  Let&#8217;s see them port games like Metal Gear to xbox and see what happens you xbot.</p>
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		<title>By: SaberEdge</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90449</link>
		<dc:creator>SaberEdge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I should probably know better.  I guess I just wanted to add my two cents.  I&#039;m getting really tired of people saying that developers are lazy when PS3 versions of multi-platform games turn out worse.

You&#039;re welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I should probably know better.  I guess I just wanted to add my two cents.  I&#8217;m getting really tired of people saying that developers are lazy when PS3 versions of multi-platform games turn out worse.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Landis</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90389</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Landis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaberEdge, what are you thinking?  Haven&#039;t the comments thus far proven to you that there is no place for logic here?  Regardless, thank you for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaberEdge, what are you thinking?  Haven&#8217;t the comments thus far proven to you that there is no place for logic here?  Regardless, thank you for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: SaberEdge</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90373</link>
		<dc:creator>SaberEdge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lolek

Sorry, but you&#039;re full of it.  Both the 360 and the PS3 can render at 1080P resolution.  However, very few games on either platform do.  Very, very few PS3 (and 360) games do.  Got it?

That said, I have found that on my TV the 360 does a much better job scaling than the PS3.  PS3 games always look a little blurry.  So, whether it&#039;s native or not, scaling can help an image look better (just as it does in upconverting DVD players) and the 360 does a better job of it.

People trying to pass off the idea that Microsoft is somehow deceiving people by listing all possible output resolutions are being really absurd.  In fact, Sony (and other publishers)are making a big mistake by not listing all available output resolutions on the back of the box.  Most people don&#039;t go searching for such information on the internet, they basically just go off what information is on the back of the box.  And if you have a 1080P HDTV, you are likely going to be looking to see if a game can output at that resolution.

Anyway, most of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.  The fact is, most of Dan Landis&#039; comments about all the Sony hype with regard to the PS3 supposedly being the only true HD console and all that are true.  Far Cry 2 does look and perform better on the 360 (as do most cross-platform titles) and it&#039;s getting really old that so many people have bought into Sony&#039;s hype about the PS3 supposedly being the most powerful console.  In terms of 95% of game development out there, it is actually the 360 that is the more powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lolek</p>
<p>Sorry, but you&#8217;re full of it.  Both the 360 and the PS3 can render at 1080P resolution.  However, very few games on either platform do.  Very, very few PS3 (and 360) games do.  Got it?</p>
<p>That said, I have found that on my TV the 360 does a much better job scaling than the PS3.  PS3 games always look a little blurry.  So, whether it&#8217;s native or not, scaling can help an image look better (just as it does in upconverting DVD players) and the 360 does a better job of it.</p>
<p>People trying to pass off the idea that Microsoft is somehow deceiving people by listing all possible output resolutions are being really absurd.  In fact, Sony (and other publishers)are making a big mistake by not listing all available output resolutions on the back of the box.  Most people don&#8217;t go searching for such information on the internet, they basically just go off what information is on the back of the box.  And if you have a 1080P HDTV, you are likely going to be looking to see if a game can output at that resolution.</p>
<p>Anyway, most of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.  The fact is, most of Dan Landis&#8217; comments about all the Sony hype with regard to the PS3 supposedly being the only true HD console and all that are true.  Far Cry 2 does look and perform better on the 360 (as do most cross-platform titles) and it&#8217;s getting really old that so many people have bought into Sony&#8217;s hype about the PS3 supposedly being the most powerful console.  In terms of 95% of game development out there, it is actually the 360 that is the more powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: lolek</title>
		<link>http://www.ripten.com/2008/10/23/ps3-underdelivers-again-farcry-2-gimped/comment-page-3/#comment-90243</link>
		<dc:creator>lolek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1080p @ 360 is always faked (upscaled), the 360 is not able to render true 1080p but the PS3 is able to render even higher resolutions than 1080p.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1080p @ 360 is always faked (upscaled), the 360 is not able to render true 1080p but the PS3 is able to render even higher resolutions than 1080p.</p>
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