i'm geting pretty sick of Sony's marketing.

i get what your saying and it makes sense and all. the truth still is that sony is terrible at marketing.

they even just admitted that they could do more when it comes to marketing.

same goes for MGS4 and many others. they did well without marketing.. imaging sony actually putting some time into selling the games.


personally i think they need young blood in the company. if you notice they dont do big announcements. they dont do events. they dont do special launches.

they do press conferences. who are they promoting to? stock holders or customers?

all their events/announcements are like one big sit down press conference.

another example. they tried to do a special trailer on XPLAY for Killzone 2.. on XPLAY.. they showed it in low quality then after it aired, they went on to talk about something else.

Did sony actually think that the trailer would get XPLAY to promote the game for them for free or do a special on it? without actually discussing it or making it an event or sending someone to discuss and explain it?

the killzone 2 trailer was great, but watching it on xplay didnt make anyone excited or make them want to play it unless they already did.

I hear you, LordRaoh. When the PS3 first launched, I saw ads all over the place. They had the crazy liquid metal black stuff all over the place and the rock music. Now, not so much. I have seen LittleBigPlanet and Resistance ads a few times, and the Mirror's Edge ads I've seen have all been PS3 branded. Most games ads I see are for the 360, though, so if I were some dude not in the know, I would automatically be more drawn the 360 than the Wii or PS3 just based on commercials.

LBP seems like a really great game. But I have a 360. So I'm currently trying to trick my sister into buying a PS3 because "the PS3 version of SingStart is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than that of the PS2." Little does she know about my plan... :)

Dan, you are so damn angry, you need to wash the sand out of your birth canal. besides that, I see your point. Blah.....

What's up with the first paragraph and the insults? You look like a 12 year old screamimg for attention.

The only 2 reasons why LBP didn't sell well is because of the delay and Sony's poor marketing in the U.S.NPD represents U.S sales and you guys act lie NA is the whole world or something.

If you want impressive sales go look at MGS4 which sold 4.5 million so far,or just wait for GT5 or GOW3 to come out.

Madpuppy, leave my vagina out of this. I am angry because people are stupid, and I honestly could care less about LittleBigPlanet's sales because I don't even have a PS3.

And Allen, it's quite apparent from your comments that you did not actually read this article.

Allen-

The first paragraph was pretty hostile, and Dan is a very, very angry man, but with all the fanboy bullshit ruining the internet as of late, can you blame him for being on the defense?

just to follow up. if you look at the magazine and television ads you will see


the "Wii" Brand in Big Bold white letters.

the 360 is a big "Microsoft Xbox 360 LIVE"

the ps3? just the old original playstation logo. little ole box sitting in the corner. you would think some of these multiplayer games were on xbox only the way the ads are set up.

Sigh..Yes I read your article,it would have been a good and credible one without the insults and childish comments.

@ Dylan

Why get angry over some childish fanboys?
I actually laugh at them instead of smashing my keyboard.btw..we went through the same drama last gen and the gen before it.

If he's angry then fine,get some kool aid or play LBP =)

I don't think swearing in general or calling fanboys "dickfaces" are necessarily childish comments, and I don't think it makes an article any less credible. I also don't think that insulting people I don't like is a bad thing. I think the intolerance shown by fanboys, if left alone, will easily develop into racism and sexism, and that's totally not cool. I don't want some fanboy disrespecting my mulatto love-child on Xbox Live.

Sure you don't want that,but it looks like you want your mulatto love-child to come here and learn some insults on then go throw em at those fanboys,then his teachers..then..you??

it makes no difference what people say about the sales records of brand-fucking-new games. if they sell, thats cool... if not, cool too. why complain if you're not the person selling?

and yes, fanboys are the most annoying fucking people on the face of the earth that actually make me ashamed to call myself a gamer.

I don't believe in sheltering my children, and I'm sure that by the time they start throwing around swear words, they will have had a lot more exposure to them than just from me. The internet is a big place, and I don't think that what I write will automatically corrupt my children. If I posted to a porn site, I don't think my kids will automatically start having orgies in the living room.

Childish? I didn't really see anything childish about him expressing his disdain for the way Sony handles it's promotions. I actually have both PS3 and 360, and I'd have to say I buy games mostly for my 360 just because the gameplay is better.

"If I posted to a porn site, I don’t think my kids will automatically start having orgies in the living room."

Quoted for truth!

As an owner of a PS3, I can still say that I don't care how well this game sells. I completely understand where Dan is coming from. Dumb people spreading misinformation on the internet makes me mad. I know I shouldn't care but I do. Sue me.

You guys are funny. It's standard Sony's way: wait... wait... wait more... nothing happens... wait... hahaha.

LBP is supposed to be system seller. period.

And it's not. period.

Get some real games, not this pseudo game-construction-kit for wanna-be-game-makers.

As a super smart psychologist, I'd have to agree that he isn't being childish. Showing anger or contempt through the use of harsh language is not childish. If he made illogical remarks like "LBP is cool because I say so and will sell lots and if you don't like it you stink" then that would be childish.

Fact is. Money is tight only the best of the best games get the green-light now a days. Gears of War 2, Fable 2 and Resistance 2 are prime examples. Maybe LBP will do better during Christmas vacation when a lot of kids start getting stuff from their parents. HA!

El Guapo, while I personally don't care about the sales of LittleBigPlanet, my journalistic integrity makes me lash out at other so-called "journalists" when they pollute the web with misinformation and inaccurate statements, but I'm totally with you on the fanboy hate.

maa, I agree with you on the Sony front. I think their advertising and marketing as of late (for the past few years, really) has sucked. I was the proud owner of a PS2, but all of Sony's arrogant bullshit made me vow to never buy a PS3 out of principle. Looking at the system and its problems from the non-clouded eyes of someone that doesn't need to justify that purchase, I can say that they are doing a lot of things wrong. LittleBigPlanet looks like it could be fun, but it is not something that makes me want to buy a PS3.

AMC, I agree with you that too many games are coming out this holiday and LBP just is not at the top of the list. I still think it will do well, and I still believe it won't be long till it hits the million mark, which is pretty impressive. For people that only own PS3's, however, Gears 2 and Fable 2 aren't options, so Resistance 2 is really the only big game you listed that's taking the spotlight away from LBP. I would also offer Fallout 3 as something I would spend money on before LBP, but that's just me.

Well, this game is a joke platformer with a level editor, has no importance or fun to be found anywhere in this mediocre scrolling platformer

Also user levels so far suck big time

In short LBP is a terrible and boring platformer, 2.5D too, and all it has is a useless level editor, because making amazing levels take many months, and noone will do it without beeing paid

That said, how on earth was this game supposed to sell ? It sales are amazing for how mediocre it is, and could have been much worst

Also i can see 99% of people buying returning it, because after playing the mediocre included levels and some user crap levels, there is no point in the game, it is not really a game, just a glorified level editor

Some people really like level editors, hahaha. The mod community is actually pretty huge, and I don't see that as being terribly different than LBP. I know a lot of people that always wait for the PC version of games so that they can screw around with stuff. Hell, Counter Strike and Portal were just mods that some dudes made for fun until Valve brought them in-house to formally sell them to people.

Wow Dan, I'm embarrassed. You just made me remember Fallout 3, I really loved Oblivion so I'll eventually pick it up.

Like you, I can't find myself really getting into LBP. Mostly because I am not really into level modding, but also because of the only decently looking platforming aspect. X-Play really put good hype behind it, but from looking at the gameplay vids, I can honestly say I am not that impressed.

How about the idiots up there-maa and labwarrior shut the fuck up? That would make the world a much better place.

Love how you two pick on the FUCKING game without even playing it. Do you two morons not realize that the game was delayed? In some cases, as this guy pointed out, wrong dates were given when it was delayed for a few days? If it wasn't delayed, you'd get the damn million you were hoping for.

Does sales tell you how great a game is?

No, then shut the fuck up.

You nancyboys should all go and play your manhood crush games and stop picking on a game you've never played before!

Ignorant bastards!

And well said author. You brought up some great points. But stupid ass fanboys will always be stupid ass fanboys, especially 360 bigots. They expected this game to sell over a million when there was a delay instead of using their God-given brain.

They're pathetic.

Dan, You're also missing Dead Space and Bioshock... and a game that may mystify everyone known as Mirror's Edge. I want LBP, and I plan on buying it, but right now the mature gamer in me craves a storyline over fun. I plan on getting Bioshock, Uncharted, and Dead Space before LBP, and maybe after Killzone 2, depending on how long it takes for me to finish the three.

Even if it takes a while, it's good for me because the games on LBP would've grown past penises and mario clones.

I know the Title and pic are for attention grabbing and hits, so that doesn't surprise me; but using the title and links and expect a slobbering ADHD fanboy on either side of the fence to not jump to conclusions (and straight to the comment section) is asking a little much out of the people you want to educate. Granted, I believe that the 360 fans actually read the article up to two paragraphs in, but that's only because they were trying to revel in the article. :D

Yes, I certainly should have lowered my expectations by now, but I still find it humorous that even after giving people a warning explicitly talking about what an article is about, people still manage to not read it a jump to conclusions. I'd hate to see what the comments section would look like if this got posted to N4G.

I think you might consider this "flaming" but I'm going to attempt to correct you.

LBP sold below expectations. That's not to say it sold poorly. One thing you've failed to mention is that Wal-Mart, and many other stores started selling the game early, in limited releases. It was on the market for more than 4 days, and in fact, you could find the game on Ebay for, at or near, regular price during those times.

Yes, the game could have legs, but all this ranting at forum members of a certain website, which if I'm right, overtracked the game you are obviously such a fan of, is unnecessary.

The game was supposed to move hardware. It was supposed to be "huge." It didn't meet unrealistic sales expectations of most people, even with a 4 day run(which is actually lying by omission, or ignorance, depending on whether you knew about the limited releases or not).

Doesn't mean the sales were poor, but they weren't good, as you are trying to spin them, and it's something you should accept, rather than getting pissed off at a forum goer, and writing an angry rant in an attempt to "own" them, simply because you have a platform with which to speak.

If this is indicative of your other writings, you don't deserve such a platform. This is damage control, pure and simple, and it's also ironic how much you yourself hate fanboys. "The game didn't sell poorly, here are a number of excuses and reasonings to explain why the numbers were so low." That's damage control. I wouldn't even let another forum goer get away with such a thing, much less a "writer."

If you're trying to pretend LBP sold up to your own expectations, you're probably kidding yourself. It might not have sold poorly, but every PS3 owner across the country expected it to make at least some impact.

If you're trying to pretend that LBP will have legs and still be a fantastic success for Sony(because it's a great game) then that's your opinion, and it might be right, but there is no proof or evidence of that in you article.

Japan, as reported by Famitsu and MediaCrate, and the UK as reported by Chart-track, also have this game underperforming most expectations, just like NPD.

I noticed you left that out as well.

Your article is just a step shy of "lying by omission" actually, and if you've posted like this on any message forum, yes, you would get owned by someone. The internet usually doesn't let people get away with such seeming bias, when accompanied by a lack of knowledge.

In fact, the only source that had this game actually not flopping was the site you hate so much. It seems to me, however, you're pissed off at the site because of its members.

Bottom line is, this is an unnecessarily angry and offensive rant, with a lot of missing information, and false pretenses. The only people who will actually fall for this article are those who aren't knowledgeable of its subject matter, long term fans of yours, and PS3 fanboys.

Class up your articles a little bit, sir.

Zenfolder, so you're saying he was wrong for saying that this game didn't sell because of a delay? So what you're saying is that the game wouldn't sell good even if there was a delay? One of the major retailers-Amazon had this game on the first page in the top ten before the delay. After the delay, the game fell back.

I cannot blame him for the curse words because I'm pissed off as well. This game is getting unfairly bashed from left to right.

Where is your evidence that Sony hoped this would be a system seller? Where is your evidence of this?

Did you not know that some games sell better and better overtime? Or are you too damn blind and up the ass to see that?

Zenfoldor,

Wow. I am actually surprised how much you manage to get wrong with your "insights".

1 - I don't own a PS3 and have said on many occasions that I do not care a bit about LittleBigPlanet. Listen to some of our first podcasts and you'll hear me say how lame I thought the game was.

2 - This article was not based on information or comments in a forum, but was a direct reaction to ACTUAL WEBSITES commenting on the lack of sales of the game for the month of October and their reasoning for it. Perhaps you missed the logical statement that a game will obviously sell less is 4 days than it will in 11 days. Simple, really.

3 - The game didn't sell up to my expectations because I had no expectations. Every PS3 owner blah, blah, blah -- I am not a PS3 owner. It's actually quite humorous that I'm being called a PS3 fanboy for this article when I've so much more often in the past been labeled a 360 fanboy.

4 - According to Chart Track, LBP is the best-selling PS3 game and number 4 overall, but that is for the week ending 8 November and, if you have any elementary school knowledge, is completely irrelevant since none of the days in that week were part of October. Even though that positive information somewhat supports my article, it has nothing to do with the October sales data that this article was commenting on.

5 - If you combine all of the information from these sales-tracking websites, LBP has actually already passed 750,000 units sold.

6 - I'm still not sure what site you think I supposedly hate so much, but it likely doesn't matter because you're wrong.

7 - Class up my nuts, sir.

Cry some more.

Cookigaki would cry but there are no more liquids left in Cookigaki's body since last night's orgy with your mom and girlfriend.

Dan Landis bring the hammer, don't listen to these idiots, there just angry people who got slammed hard for making stupid articles about LPB low sales

GO GO Ripten

Awesome! A gaming site with editors that throw insults and calls a game lame,how professional!

I <3 this site.

I accept your apology.

Go Dan. You tell em' dude.

It may just be how insanely tired I am, but "Dan Landis bring the hammer" is the best thing I've ever read, and I plan to use it frequently from now on.

@ Allen-

You really think that it's unprofessional for a writer on a video game blog - that reviews games - to call a game "lame?" I disagree, good sir. This whole site is an outlet for our opinions; it's what we do. Personally, I love LBP and I think Dan is a stupid fattypants, but I respect his opinion.

And as far as throwing insults goes, they started it! Dan said what he said in the first paragraph of the article because of problems we had with people criticizing Jonathan Zungre's R2/GoW2 comparison article (posted a few days back) before they had even read it.

There are reasons behind Dan's comments. There are reasons Dan Landis bring the hammer.

Selling between one fifth and quarter of a million in 4 days is incredibly impressive!

@Dylan
This is probably the first site I've seen that uses harsh words in an article,specially that it's about LBP,a game which apeals to kids.I actually like some of the points he made in the article,but imagine a kid that's surfing for some LBP news and hits your article.

Yes I rsepect his opinion too,but he could have just said that he doesn't like
it,simple..no "lame" or any other useless terms.

I'm not hating if you think so =)

Lame, even though it's four letters, is not a bad word. And I personally think a kid could easily stumble upon much worse things than foul language.

Considering that the average gamer is getting older and older, sites about gaming shouldn't be expected to cater to a G-rated audience. We liken ourselves to the Daily Show, Maxim Magazine, and the Onion, all of which are targeted at adults.

We pride ourselves in delivering what we do with a little bit of personality. We are all different, and some of us use harsh language. If that isn't something you are looking for, there are plenty of other sites out there to get gaming-related news. I just don't think everyone should have to cater to the lowest common denominator, that being children. After all, 75% of the world's population is over 18.

"Lame" is sure not a bad word at all,but for professional reviewer[like yourself?] is not the right term to use,unless you backup your statement,then that's something else.In the end you're reviewing the game for your visitors,not for yourself.

Gamers are getting older,but there's always new young ones,right? The only reason I'm commenting here is because my small bro told me to come check how you're pissed at fanboys.

Personality?..I don't know why you would use such "personality" in an article about a game rated E.