Why Microsoft “Won” E3 2010

Before I get into this, let me just say that in my mind, and as a gamer, Microsoft did not “win” E3. What they presented was interesting, but for the post part, what I saw did not appeal to me that much. Kinect was neat, and I’d love to get my hands on one, but I’m not going to be too disappointed if I don’t. The non-Kinect games they showed off were hardly new, and I didn’t really get super excited for anything they presented. In my eyes, Microsoft’s presentation was not fit for E3.

Too bad what I thought of E3 does not at all matter.  Microsoft wins E3 because one thing and one thing alone- Kinect. Stick with me, I promise I’m going somewhere with this.

This entire week, I have seen people gamers complain, saying that Microsoft’s E3 keynote wasn’t at all catered to them, which apparently equals a fail. I’ve even seen people claim that Microsoft’s keynote means that gaming is dead and Microsoft has killed it. (which is possibly the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while) One person even claimed that Microsoft’s new casual-centric attitude means that they are going to lose a lot of money. This could not be farther from the truth.

Think back to about four years ago, when the Wii was just being announced. Everyone’s immediate reaction was “What the hell? This is bullshit.” Regardless of our views on the Wii (Which for the most part, haven’t changed) Nintendo has become incredibly successful with the Wii. Everyone went “Oh, hah, this waggle stuff is lame. No one will ever buy this!”  71 million units sold. Seventy-one million units, guys. And that was as of March. It hasn’t even been a full four years the system is out, and it has eclipsed almost every console in terms of sales. It took Sony 6 years to get to 100 million with the PS2, and 9 with the PSX. And now, Nintendo is quickly climbing back to the top of the gaming hierarchy with this year’s E3. Now everyone is thinking “NIntendo is all about gamers! Nintendo 4eva!” despite their previous thoughts.

Microsoft will do the exact same thing. They’ll rake in the endless cash for a while, then merge that with the “real gaming” we all know and love, and it will work for them, and no one will care about how lame Kinect was in 2010.

“But what if casual gamers don’t care about Kinect?” Oh, they will. And they will for two reasons- it’s cheap, and it has no learning curve. If there’s one thing Microsoft has been trying to make apparent with Kinect, it’s that since there’s no controller, there’s no learning curve. You just jump in and play. And if the initial impressions of Kinect at E3 are anything to go by, that’s exactly how the thing works. No one has to tell you to “hold A to jump”, you just jump. For this reason, Microsoft will definitely hook the casual market easier than the Wii did.

Do you know what my mom said when she saw the Your Shape: Fitness demo? “Oh my god, where can I get one of those? How much is it? It’s not out? When is it coming out?” Casual gamers- even people that aren’t gamers, even the MEDIA- will eat this thing alive much faster than they did the Wii. Believe it or not, Natal is the cheapest motion control option. For $150 ($300 if you don’t have an Xbox) you can play this with anywhere from 1 to 8 people. For $370 ($669 if you don’t have a PS3) you can play the PS3 Move with 4 people. If you could play with eight people, it would be $690/$989. For $180 ($380 if you don’t have a Wii) you can play the Wii with 4 people. If you could play with 8 people, it would be $420/$620. In terms of price, casual appeal, and what looks like it could be fun for people to play, (We really need to eclipse the idea that fun requires a controller and/or guns) Kinect is going to sell an enormous, ENORMOUS amount.

You also have to take into consideration the novelty of voice control. If anything, this was what I saw of Kinect at E3 that impressed me the most. I can definitely see myself saying “Xbox, play” rather than grabbing the wireless remote, especially if I have friends over to watch a movie. Believe it or not, voice control is still considered future-tech. Being able to use such technology in something that’s considered an every-day occurrence is astounding, and definitely worthy of the coveted “ooh-ahh” demo.

Another thing I have heard regarding Kinect is its application with FPSes. Why do we feel that for something to be good, it has to work with every single genre of video games? I haven’t heard of any FPS developers trying to apply Kinect controls to their games, and it’s probably for a good reason- it wouldn’t work. But FPS isn’t the only genre of video games out there. Sure, some people might consider themselves FPS-exclusive gamers, but that’s not the crowd Microsoft is trying to attract right now. You’ve had your moment in the sun, but in order to remain successful, they have to appeal to all demographics- including the majority demographic, non-gamers.

When the Wii first launched, every major news outlet in the world, from TIME Magazine to the Today Show, had Wiis in their offices, showing off videos of themselves playing Wii Tennis and having so much fun. When Kinect is about to hit in October, the same thing will happen, and everyone will talk about how it doesn’t require a controller, and how easy and fun it is to play- and every store will sell out of them faster than they could take them off of the truck. Microsoft knows exactly what they’re doing with Kinect. And in a year or so, when they come back strong with the “hardcore” crowd, we’ll be back in Microsoft’s loving arms, claiming they were the best all along.

Microsoft won this year’s E3. Not because what they presented was appealing, but because what they presented was appealing to the right crowd. You can look forward to seeing “Kinect sells 1 million units at launch” very soon.

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  • JE87

    I couldn’t have explained it better myself…..Also i’m pretty sure this will steal some of those wii owners…which is actually a lot of people just because it is controller-free

  • Steve

    I disagree that Kinect will make the same mass market impact that the Wii enjoyed for one simple reason: CAsuals bough the Wii because it promised an imput method as simple as a TV remote at a price that made it a impulse buy.

    As good as Kinect, and Sony’s offering for that matter look, it will not become a mass market success becasue casual gamers do not own an XBOX 360. In order to buy Kinect(which itself costs the same amount as a Wii!) you have to shell out for a console first. Impulse buying this is not: it requires a calculation. The idea that casuals look at the fact that an XBOX and Kinect will cost less that an Wii and 8 controllers is laughable. The fact is, becasue almost everyone has a Wii, you bring your controller to a friends. You don’t buy eight just in case you have a Wii party one day.

    Kinect will be popular. It will sell a lot and it does look really fun. But will it be as huge as the Wii. Er, no. Think eye-toy and you’d be closer.

  • Mark H

    When you have CharACTORS on screen that move before the so called operator of the device then thats a bad sign. look around im sure youll find plenty of the disected videos around (Btw I wasnt refering to the Cirque du Soleil lolathon) what on earth.

    Or even the incredible shrinking woman syndrome the poor lady demoing the exercise program lost two inches off her height previously.

    When your playing an on the rails Racer without a simple means of breaking.

    It seems like Microsoft are aiming at the casual player that like simple games.

    I hope they iron those problems out.

    Nope im not a Sony fanboy Move has its problems too.

  • Chris

    From a gaming perspective I personally think Sony took best of show. The games they displayed and the I honestly thought that they where going to get blown out of the water this year. However they put up a really strong front and did one hell of a show. Not only that but many of the games that Microsoft showed that where non Kinect games where also announced on PS3 so I think Microsoft lost a lot of gaming thunder to Sony this year.

    However from a technology stand point displaying as who is making more progress I do agree that Microsoft really shined this year…although I don’t think any of us didn’t see it coming. Naturally after the little tease we got last year we all where expecting something huge. While the games where disappointing I am still talking a lot more about Microsoft’s Kinect more than anything when it comes to E3. I know that it will be the first thing on my shopping list this holiday season. I know that my 360 will start getting a lot more attention real soon….I just hope it doesn’t over heat >_>.

    Not only that but Nintendo really astonished me. I mean a hand held device that supposedly has almost as much power as a Wii…..plus the ability to do 3d display without glasses…I’m in total awe I am not really ready to say who won E3…..in fact I think this is the first year I have been just stumped as to say who REALLY came in first. I do know that the REAL winners of E3 are us consumers….or at least those of us that own multiple consoles :D

  • Will

    You obviously wanted to people to come and flame you. So here goes. Instead of thinking up garbage stories for N4G hits perhaps you should cater to the people that actually come here that didn’t originate over in Troll island. Each time I see this garbage from this site I contemplate ever returning.

  • WartedKiller

    Sorry to get in your dream guys but don’t you see that lag when they present kinect? It’s more laggy than the wii. So why are you saying that microsoft whin this E3… E3 winner is the one who will show most new game and/or hardware and unless kinect wich deceives me microsoft show nothing new… Nintendo reveald a new GoldenEye a New Donkey Kong… Sony give a date for GT5 and show Twisted Metal and some game with Move Wich is the one I would buy.

    I don’t think Microsoft did a great job on this E3 and I hope for them that they will upgrade Kinect with no lag… When they’ll do… I’ll buy

  • bg93

    nope. I disagree.

    Your right, in that the people that don’t game have a problem approaching it and looking at the learning curve. That is the biggest step to climb for many. But making no learning curve at all isn’t going to drag in the masses. You know why? Because they aren’t interested to begin with. The hardcore don’t want it and the casuals don’t think its worth paying for. If the thing markets for over $100, who would buy it? A non gamer would laugh with out a second thought. The audience MS is targeting would rather spend their money on other things, and the few times they would pick it up, how often do you think they’d actually buy games. Natal is going to offer a bunch of $60 disks with minigames, like wii sports and wii play. Thats all it will ever offer.

    Oh, stop comparing this to the wii. Nintendo had mario, zelda, and metroid. Oh, and some quality games. Natal won’t get any iconic names to sell hardware. Halo party…. ehhh maybe it would sell. People will also approach everything MS and third parties put out like everyone treats third parties on the wii. NO ONE WILL BUY THEIR GAMES. NO ONE WILL BUY THE HARDWARE.

  • Tim Larkin

    According to Don Mattrick (an MS executive), the price is set. He said that we’ll be happy with it, too. That seems to suggest it will be cheaper than $150.

  • Matt

    Wow.
    Just wow.
    LOL.

  • joe

    Microsoft had the worst presentation please stop writing articles saying they won, there are no winners or losers at e3 just good and bad presentations. The only presentation that microsoft “won” against was ubisoft, but that’s because ubisoft are tards.

  • cb

    I don’t know whether I’ll be hearing Kinect sells a million units or not. Microsoft has a long road ahead to counter the perception that Xbox is only for (hard)core gamers. People don’t associate 360 with casual stuff the way they do with Wii.

    Not that they don’t have a chance mind you. Microsoft certainly has the money to put behind the advertising campaign needed to push the hardware. If they hit the right notes with the ads and promotions, the potential is there.

  • Rod Farva

    Yeah this article is complete bullshit.

  • Phil

    How can you say “no one will buy their games?” That is preposterous. Like Sony and Nintendo, Microsoft has done their market research and know much better than you and I what will sell and what won’t.

    What I don’t get about people is why they hate on consoles they don’t own. Personally, I want to see everyone do well so that there is competition and excellent products on the market.

    I say bring on Kinect, Move, Wii and also keep the excellent core games coming. If the new stuff sucks, I just won’t buy it. Period.

  • ppIsAlsoAnIdiot

    HAHAHHAHAHA Microsoft won?

    They had the worst showing in the history of the conferences…

    Sony had more great exclusives that they DIDN’T have to show, more than the 360 has had since launch.

    Go to school kid, get a career. You know nothing about video games to be writing about them.

  • ppIsAlsoAnIdiot

    And really, something that doesn’t work is appealing to the right crowd?

    Yeah… no.

    What next, the 360 slim that is plagued with heat issues, features the same RROD problems, and scratches discs to an extent that they had to put a sticker on the front of the device because of it… is also appealing?

    There is a word called “quality”, customers aren’t idiots… Microsoft has reached their limit of relying on morons.

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  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    This wasn’t written for hits, it was written because I wanted to present a viewpoint that not many people seemed to have thought of. And if this article was a “garbage piece”, I wouldn’t have spent three days writing and researching it.

    Why would I want people to flame me? That’s stupid- especially since I reply to everything, it’s a waste of my time to be flamed. I thank you for reading the article, but I genuinely stand by everything I wrote.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    Everyone has a different idea of “what it means to win the show”. To me, it’s the company that presents the most successful idea, not necessarily the “best.” You think Sony did the best job, and I think you are kind of right, Sony blew me away, and delivered a keynote that impressed me more than i thought it would. But my idea of winning E3 doesn’t match what they did. But thank you for reading the article.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    Do you think casuals bought the thing for Zelda and Mario? No! They bought it for Wii Sports! That’s what all of the news outlets and talk shows showed off, and that’s what they found cool.

    And the Wii retailed for $250 at launch, and people still bought it. And where is the $60 coming from? Thats not confirmed, it was a rumor that someone started and the internet ran with. Rare, the developer of most Kinect games, will release their games for $40, just like they have done with Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie, because they price it based on the market it appeals to.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    Thank you for presenting a rational viewpoint in a rational, concise manner. Your opinion is very important and useful and not at all dumb.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    That’s why I included the first Kinect ad at the top of the page. Int is eerily similar to Nintendo’s marketing, no? And that’s the marketing that drew them in.

  • Dr. Chicago

    When she asked where can she get the Your Shape: Fitness, you should have told her it was out, under the name Wii Fit.

    Microsoft copying Nintendo is not going to get them a lot of money. It doesn’t often work for Sony. You can’t look at one trend and use it as a model for every future possibility it may apply to. If you could, Nintendo wouldn’t have released the 3DS based on how badly the Virtual Boy failed.

    The main problem with Kinect is what can be developed for it. You have no way of moving your character around in a 3 dimensional space unless you march in place or some other silly thing. The reason the Wii succeeded was it had basic buttons that allowed basic movements as well as motion controls. You could also sit down while playing a game. There will be a few devs that think up a few neat ideas for the Kinect, but it will die quickly.

  • wellll

    “Think back to about four years ago, when the Wii was just being announced. Everyone’s immediate reaction was “What the hell? This is bullshit.””

    Uh, no it wasn’t.

    Remember the stampede of 2006? Yeah, that was the reaction. EVERYONE wanted to try it.

  • http://www.ripten.com Chad Lakkis

    I’d have to agree with you Chris.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    The difference between Wii Fit and Kinect is YOU HAVE TO BUY THE $80 WII FIT BOARD. Plus, it doesn’t map out your body like Kinect does. As a matter of fact, she described it as “the gym of the future”, which was weird, but makes sense if you think about it.

    Plus, we owned Wii Fit. She hates it. And it’s easy to cheat with, unlike Kinect where you’d have to use a cut out of yourself to cheat.

    And how is Kindct copying Nintendo? MOVE is copying Nintendo, Kinect is taking the idea and changing it a little. Once more, I direct you to Apple.

    And for the record, Kinect developers can make it ao Kinect works in conjunction with the controller.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    I meant amongst the hardcore community. I distinctly remember the community popularizing the term “waggle” right around then.

  • Pete

    Lag, lag, lag. That’s all I hear. Well guess what retards, the people who want Kinectimals are not going to care how accurate the Playstation Move is. So again, THINK outside of your fucking little box.

    Kinect isn’t to replace Gears of War, it’s to open up a whole new demographic that is much larger than the hardcore crowd.

    So all of you losers who sit at home pretending your Simon Cowell, the people who actually tried it were impressed in the best way possible. By saying it’s FUN, no matter how idiotic they look or how idiotic you think they look.

    Jesus, no wonder I don’t like playing games online very often. Too many whining little bitches who forgot what games are supposed to be, about having good old fashioned fun.

  • Demi Adejuyigbe

    I agree wih your basic idea, but calling people losers and being a general dick about things isn’t the best way to make your argument, man.

  • Steve

    “For $150 ($300 if you don’t have an Xbox) you can play this with anywhere from 1 to 8 people.”

    I was just reading that the Kinect camera can only track two people at a time. (Search for “Kinect: The company behind the tech explains how it works”)

  • relax

    I’m glad the FREE XBOX works on all media outlets….

    Show me what game you can play on kinect with 8 players. Its gonna be a cluster Fck of people hitting each other.

  • Anthony

    Alright buddy u got something wrong with this article. A PS Move controller is $50. 50 x 4 is $200. not $370. If your going to lie don’t make it so obvious.

  • kme

    Can you imagine what the porn industry could do with Kinect? :shudder:

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    Navigation controller is $30. “But you can use the Dualshock!” Well, that’s $50.

    By the way- “You’re.” And you forget that the Move needs an EyeToy to work.

  • Noender

    Declaring a winner for E3 is a foolish thing to attempt this soon… But as far as buzz goes, 3ds is stealing the show…

  • joe kalina

    Wow. This is definatly not my type of website. Sorry to sound elitest. I definatly think microsoft had the worst e3. Nintendo had the 3ds. I know it had a lot of old games shown it is still a great piecevof hardware. Ps3 had gr8 games announced. I mean no one on this thread even mentioned portal 2 for it, Or steam. How much does microsoft pay this site. Or is this just for fringe gamers. I mean even when talking about the wii u got it wrong. Everyone thought it was awesome when first shown at e3. It is the fact that they started selling shovelware for it. Microsoft should keep selling gr8 original games. Not overpriced hardware to compete with there copetition. That is not why I bought my 360. And to who ever wrote this article. You should stop commenting on games. I mean wow, just cuz ur mom thought it was cool now I need to get it. Lol. Well ppl. Bash me all u want I’m gunna fgo to a site that knows bout games like kotaku or gamesradar. I’m out.

  • mike

    see an article like this is lost in the “hardcore” crowd. i am sure the Wii players dont even know articles like this exist cause they are way older or in grade school.when i first was the Wii i was like, epic fail nintendo, will i was wrong.
    this article is like a christan at a satanic convention, these people play gears of war, killzone and Halo. Wii sports is corny and stupid to them, and kenetic games will be just as corny. i played the Wii a couple times, and any game that requires timing, baseball, was overly complex for me. it was a split second behind and i kept missing, couldnt get the timing. dont know how move will be any better, cause there will always be that lag on timing games. but in the end i didnt care cause i was at a friends house playing his Wii.

    this wasnt a fanboy article at all, i saw the sony presentation and was supremly disapointed!
    a 3D killzone that looks to have a bunch of halo copies already, the jet pack. i went and saw shrek 3d and was pissed cause it was a 2d flat image in front of a 2d back ground. and reading reports killzone 3d looked the same, cardboard cutouts in front of a cardboard background. so cost of glasses for crappy 3d and then you add the cost of the tv you need and the cost of the move setup and you are in the THOUSANDS of dollars, worth it? for you to judge.
    then the games listed were mostly mulitplatform, and the ones that were exclusive were cheesy, little big planet 2 and twisted metal.
    these games might be popular, but when this system came out at a whopping $600 it didnt and still doesnt live up to the price hype. the graphics are equal or subpar to the much cheaper 360, any of thoes games are easily played, graphicaly, on the 360.
    yea i am a fanboy.
    i cant get with a modern day neogeo, you guys remember that over prices flop?
    and for sony to come out and proclaim a game is a “Halo killer” just goes to show you how far behind they are, espically since bungie has said THEY will not make anymore, not to say MS wont try and continues to keep it on life support.
    Sony, impresse me please, your bigges announcement was you were able to beg portal to come on to your system, whoopeeeeee!!!!!
    to put it into prospective PS3 fans, god of war was supposed to be the game of forever for ps3 fans, to date 2.55 million copies sold.

    halo 3 ODST, which was hated by lots of halo fans, 5.2 million.

    so basically sony fails E3 by taking a Wii controler and putting a ball on the top and calling it move. always a step behind everyone else and they plan on being there for a long time.

  • Nikkopikko

    This is a very well put together argument and I would have to agree with you on the pricing of having multiple people being able to play, at any given time. Hopefully after all the shovel-ware and kiddy games that Kinect will definitely show it’s hardcore side to gamers.

  • Game Developer

    One of the definition of Win is to be victorious in a competition or battle.

    If you think E3 is a competition/battle, then lets explore that assumption: E3 is designed as an annual trade show for the computer and video games industry. THE INDUSTRY needs this as much as the developers and the platform vendors do. So what are they competing for? Well, positive attention from the gaming community.

    The ONLY parameter of success at an Expo would be the attention and positive buzz a product gets – to encourage developers to build for a platform to maximize their dollar return.

    Kintect did the opposite of that – the buzz is negative and got worse when gamers saw the real deal.

    It’s sad to see something that had so much potential fail so miserably…lets hope they will develop the tech further and not rush to market with a poor product.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    What free Xbox? If you’re referring to the one that they gave out at the keynote, we weren’t there. We didn’t get a free Xbox. And even if we did, we’re not sleazy enough to be swayed by free things. We don’t give games free 10s just because developers supply them.

    And I have no idea what game can play with eight people. I’m going by what I have been told and what I remember from Microsoft’s previous announcements. If that’s wrong, and I need to update it, I will, but that doesn’t change the fact that even with 4 players, it’s cheaper.

  • dogmanx23

    Lets think about what E3 is… Its the show you hit your audience with, you show the hardcore person who buys your system what do you have for me.

    Nintendo the last few years has been horrible because they ignored the Nintendo hard. Microsoft did that this year. The shows 3 games you knew were coming and wasn’t anything new. Seriously Reach looked no different then other Halo titles. The space fighting is nice but they showed it for 3 seconds. They should have highlighted that.

    Gears 3 looks like Gears 2 with new villains. The newest thing I saw in that footage was when u jump over things you can kick.. Where was the WOW factor?

    Call Of Duty like they’ve done the last 2 years. Its pretty save to say the next 2 years MS opens with Call of Duty.

    Then all that time on Kinect. I thought they showed to much of each game and it just dragged. The game i thought would have wowed was Star Wars but they showed video of it. It would have been great if they showed someone actually playing it. MS ignored its 40M+ owners when they showed Kinect and showed it has nothing for them. Unless they want a $150 remote for the xbox oh and espn.

    Nintendo hit everyone, especially their hardcore audience. 3DS looks amazing and is getting hardcore games. Nintendo just did games games games and had the best flow of everyone.

    Sony Impressed me because of how much they showed without spending so much time showing it. All the new PSP games, All the Move games, Sly Cooper, Motorstorm3, Heroes On The Move. Those Montages worked but they were a little long. I hated the Tiger DEMO that was the biggest waist of time IMO. They did show Move isn’t just for the causal but its for the hardcore to if they want it. The last hour was just great. LBP2, Imfamous 2, Sony/EA partnership, Portal 2, Twisted Metal.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    … Uh, we are presenting three different views of E3. The first paragraph said that I don’t think Microsoft won E3 to me. As a matter of fact, everyone that writes for Ripten has said that Microsoft did not win E3. Microsoft’s keynote downright sucked. Nintendo took the “winner of E3″ trophy home in our heads, but if you read what I wrote, it’s not about our heads.

    Microsoft doesn’t pay us anything. Nintendo was laughed at when they announced the Wii. Do you remember when everyone started calling it “waggle” and saying that they didn’t want to jump around to play games? I can tell that you’re not old enough to remember when the Wii was announced by the way you spell everything, though.

    I didn’t say that I need to get it. Ever. You skimmed over this article and decided to flame us in the comments. As a matter of fact, I will not be buying Kinect. Or Move. Jesus, did you read anything in this article?

    And a real site like GamesRadar or Kotaku? Now I know you’re joking. I don’t like to make fun of other people that write about games, but at least our site isn’t all multi-page articles for hits and reviews about non-game related films.

    You are nothing more than a troll, and I don’t care two shits for your opinion anymore.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    Why is it a foolish thing to declare? And as for buzz AMONGST THE HARDCORE CROWD, 3DS, hands down, wins E3. I’ve already said that I plan to buy this thing as long as it’s less than $300. Nintendo kicked some serious ass this year.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    Couldn’t agree more. Hardcore gamers will see through Kinect and not care at all for it. Unfortunately, we are the minority, and Kinect will sell like crazy to the casual crowd.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    “Kinect did the opposite of that – the buzz is negative and got worse when gamers saw the real deal.”

    Believe it or not, E3 isn’t a trade show just for the hardcore. While we are the only ones that follow it as it goes on, USA Today, TIME, and Newsweek are the people Microsoft really cares about- the people that report the news from a casual standpoint. When they tell the entire world that this Kinect thing is “neat and revolutionary”, the casual crowd that reads USA Today and Newsweek and not Ripten or Destructoid will listen to what they say. Same thing when this appears on every daytime and late night television show. How do you think the Wii got so much buzz?

    Again though, and I hate that I have to say this so frequently, from a GAMER standpoint, Microsoft fucked up E3 big time.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    E3 is not for hardcore people. It’s for the press. That’s why they don’t usually let everybody in. While the majority of people that end up at E3 are “hardcore” press, like IGN, Gamespot, etc, the truth is that the big 3 try to attract different people every year.

    In the past, Nintendo has worked towards appealing USA Today, Newsweek, TIME, etc. In the past, Sony & Microsoft have worked for everyone else. This year, Microsoft and Nintendo’s roles are switched.

  • Jhenri

    I’m not sure if you realize you are contradicting yourself. You said E3 is for hardcore right, but Microsoft’s conference did not appeal for the hardcore crowd. That means they lost at E3. Now while they may become successful with the casual crowds(seriously doubting)with kinect they still lost E3. They may take the lead in sales this/next year but they lost the conference. The reason I doubt they will have major success with the casual crowd is like someone else said, casual gamers don’t own a 360 and are not going to pay for both the system and kinect. Also keep in mind that many of them only know about the RROD. My mom can’t tell you anything about about videogames but one thing she does know is that she would not buy my little brother a 360 because they fail, regardless of whether or not hey fixed the issue she doesn’t know. Also kind in mind she has no clue what a gaming magazine is and all the info she gets is from the sources you listed earlier about how to appeal to casual gamers. I do own all three consoles, all of them work(never had rrod), I just don’t see how Microsoft thinks it can change over to casual so easily without keeping the hardcore gamers happy. Now I could be wrong and Kinect could fly off the shelves, I just don’t see that happening.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    “E3 is not for hardcore people. It’s for the press. That’s why they don’t usually let everybody in. While the majority of people that end up at E3 are “hardcore” press, like IGN, Gamespot, etc, and the people that follow E3 as it happens are the hardcore gamers, the truth is that the big 3 try to attract different people every year.

    In the past, Nintendo has worked towards appealing USA Today, Newsweek, TIME, etc. In the past, Sony & Microsoft have worked for everyone else. This year, Microsoft and Nintendo’s roles are switched. When you appeal to USA Today, Newsweek, and TIME, you are working towards the casual crowd that doesn’t read gaming blogs, and only knows Kinect or the Wii exists because one of the aforementioned press outlets.”

    I said that in a comment above, and I’m only repeating it because it applies here. As for your mother not buying an Xbox for your brother, the newest Xbox doesn’t have that problem with RRODs. I’m not sure how many casual gamers could tell you the RROD thing off of the top of their head, either.

    As for not buying Kinect and the system, Microsoft is selling bundles. They’ll just buy it at once and think of it as they’re getting a Kinect.

  • Jhenri

    Actually the new console will have a bigger problem especially if bundling with kinect, the whole scratching games if moved. Please remember your talking about casual gamers buying it. How many of them do you actually believe won’t move the console with a game in it? Also how many do think know about downloading games to the harddrive?

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    If you move ANYTHING while a disc is in it, it has a chance of getting scratched. Put a disc in your PS3, and move it while it’s running. Put a disc in your Wii, and move it while it’s running. Put a disc in your laptop, and move it while it’s running. In each situation, the disc will most likely be scratched to Hell.

    I’m not sure why people ever move things while they have discs running inside.

  • relax

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYuyJ4L7aE

    riddle me this batman, why doesn’t your cds in your car stereo get scratch when you driving ad turning. Its called bad engineering. or a way to boost game sales, you scratched it too bad go buy a new one.

  • Fox

    The difference between Wii an Kinect is that, for starters, Wii was a disruptive product, and Kinect is a co-opt–or, an “answer” to the Wii. Nintendo, literally, discovered an entirely new market (you fallaciously call them “casuals”) and made games to appeal to these new gamers. Microsoft isn’t trying to hit a new market or expand gaming, they’re trying to compete with the Wii itself by marketing a device that holds to similar values as the Wii, in an attempt to steal Nintendo’s new audience, or soak up the few remaining “non-gamers” who have yet to purchase a Wii.

    But why should Natal sell over the Wii? It’s more expensive than the Wii, for starters, which is a huge factor. The hardware also does not work properly. This will kill Kinect when the system launches. Natal does not bring anything new to the table, unlike the Wii in 2006. In 2006, motion controls had never been done before. It was a disruption in the console market at the time. Natal and Move do not disrupt, they are just faulty, expensive imitators, and their target audience is very much aware of this.

  • wellll

    I remember the Wii getting a much better reception than Kinect, even in the “hardcore press”.

  • Cold

    Nintendo had people trying the Wii out as a part of their marketing strategy. MS has yet to let people play Kinect outside of a controlled environment.

    This market that MS is trying to tap into isn’t so easily persuaded. They will need to actually play this, and it will have to be as good as MS is promising (and some of these demos aren’t backing those promises up, as the on-screen character moves before the player.

    If Kinect is to move units, MS needs to start letting people play it soon, so that people will know it works.

  • Cold

    She hates Wii fit? Alright, don’t believe you. She has Wii Fit, but hates it because it’s easy to cheat? I have yet to see anyone complain about Wii Fit because it’s easy to cheat. People play that to get in shape, not to cheat and win at a game.

    She wants to get in or maintain her shape, so she gets Wii Fit, but doesn’t do it properly because she doesn’t have to, and wants Kinect with your Shape because she won’t be able to cheat?

    That doesn’t sound right.

  • kme

    “Natal does not bring anything new to the table, unlike the Wii in 2006.”

    Actually, like the article mentions, voice control is new and may end up being the most important innovation here. If Kinect can separate the media experince from the remote experience that will be very disruptive.

  • http://www.the2bears.com the2bears

    I don’t think you’re using “disruptive” correctly here.

    As far as Kinect winning anything? Well, the technology has to work. It doesn’t come close to that. Why at E3 did they have to fake it? At such an important show? It’s called marketing.

    Demi, hope you have the nuts to revisit this when Kinect has crashed and burned.

  • Kyle

    1. kinect is $50 less than a wii, not the same.

    2. the price for a 360 and kinect is cheaper than 360 was on launch. $50 less to be exact.

    3. the eyetoy, which you compared it to, did not control the entire dashboard, or lack thereof, on the ps2 with mere voice commands. nor did it actually recognize you. comparing playstation move to a cross between the eyetoy and wii is way more accurate considering you still have to wave for move to recognize your body.

    4. People will buy this. especially in the u.s. since we’re putting the recession behind us, because one fact will always remain. People want to be entertained. That’s why movies always do so well (if they’re good, but that’s another topic). We’ve all seen those guys that bring they’re friends over just to say “hey look what this does!”
    It’s way more impressive when you can do that without even touching a controller.

  • Kyle

    they might’ve done better if they spent less time trash talking, and more time working.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    No, she doesn’t hate Wii Fit because it’s easy to cheat. She hates it because nothing motivates her to use it. She doesn’t want to sit on the thing and lean to the sides, she wants to punch the blocks and have it read her height and weight, and all of this future crap.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    Uh, we’ve got four months until Kinect launches. Their marketing hasn’t even started. Plus, people got to play it at E3 “outside of a controlled environment.” The only thing can you can consider truly outside of a controlled environment is your home, without supervision.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    I distinctly remember hardcore gamers calling the Wii a flop because of its graphics, saying they didn’t want to have to move around all the time and waggle shit. I recall people saying that days ago, even.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    You did not read any part of this article. d-bag. In the first paragraph I say that Microsoft did not win me over. FIRST PARAGRAPH.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    The last sentence tells me that no matter what Microsoft does, you’ll hate them. So I’m just wasting my time arguing with you, right?

    And scratching discs to ANY EXTENT is bad.

  • Laonis

    We actually haven’t seen anything that even uses more than two players yet. For instance, Dance central has two “backup dancers”, but only the lead is scored, as far as I have read. I’ve been searching for a confirmation for a maximum number of players, but I can’t find one.

    All I can say is, don’t be caught by surprise if it ends up only processing two people max. Maybe, probably, it can do four, but make sure they give us that confirmation before the release date.

  • Hal

    Is that you, Malstrom?

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    I know for sure that it can do four. Kinect Adventures (and I think Joy Ride) has been shown with four people.

  • Laonis

    I could have sworn that I saw them show it with four players too, but I can’t find out where. If you have a link, I’d appreciate, because I’ve been looking.

    I thought that four players were in Kinect Adventures during the demo for Parade. I looked it up, though, and the part where both parents and kids are ‘playing’ has only two people rendered on screen. That’s why the kid looks back at his mom with such a confused look on his face; he’s not actually playing.

    The only other one I can remember with four players was the Cirque de Soleil thing, but I can’t find footage of it. I’ve heard many people say that the event wasn’t a live demo, but I can’t confirm or deny that.

    Everything else I’ve been able to find has only shown two people max so far. I’m probably just being paranoid… I just always assumed it was up to four people at least, and I think everyone else does too. But now I’m not so sure.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    If Kinect crashes and burns, I will absolutely admit that I was totally wrong.

  • Fox

    No, just a parrot.

  • Fox

    It was the elitist “hardcore” mentality that was responsible for the tanking interest in video games prior to the Wii’s launch. Why should you take anything the “hardcore” have to say seriously, when their demands are responsible for interest in gaming entering a serious decline?

  • Fox

    Their marketing hasn’t even started? Spoilers: their entire press conference was one giant advertisement. They showed Natal working perfectly (when it does not), gave away free swag, and let’s not forget about the Cirque du Soleil performance! Microsoft’s E3 was nothing BUT marketing for Natal.

  • http://www.ripten.com Chad Lakkis

    bears,

    As far as Kinect being “fake”, I’m not sure what you are talking about. We (as well as many outlets) were able to demo Kinect at E3 this year and it was far from “fake.” You’re going to have to be more specific.

    And for those of you coming to this page from the Sean Malstrom write up, please direct your attention to the following:

    http://www.ripten.com/2010/06/20/why-nintendo-won-e3-sam-n/

    http://www.ripten.com/2010/06/19/why-sony-won-e3-2010/

    These posts were done as a series to poke fun at the idea of “winning” E3. Each writer had to do their best to focus on aspects that they believed would help make their argument even if their assigned company didn’t dominate the competition in all areas.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    The Xbox was not “free swag”. If you consider that free swag, then every time a game developer provides a blog with a copy of their game, they are bribing the site. And of course their conference was marketing for Natal- it’s their conference. I meant marketing to the world. As in, TV advertisements, magazine ads, late night and daytime TV appearances, etc. Marketing for Kinect has not yet gone into any actual public stage.

    And the Cirque Du Soleil thing was just something fun for the press. If it was marketing, they would have let everybody and anybody in, and wouldn’t have cared if you brought a camera. (They said no cameras.)

  • Fox

    Are you seriously implying that the free Slim models weren’t bribes? Spoilers: those weren’t “review” models for the press, they were given to everyone in attendance, for personal use. “You get a 360! You get a 360! You get a 360! (Oh, and if you press slouches say anything bad about us after this, we’re cutting your exclusive content. Kisses!)” When companies ship consoles off to the media, they ship one to each location. The Slims were tacit acknowledgment from Microsoft that their conference blew.

    And of course their conference was marketing for Natal- it’s their conference.

    This completely contradicts what you just said. I’ll remind you:

    Their marketing hasn’t even started.

    So which is it?

    If it was marketing, they would have let everybody and anybody in, and wouldn’t have cared if you brought a camera. (They said no cameras.)

    Various websites streamed the event for people to watch. Anyone with an Internet connection had access to the performance. And, what, you think Microsoft spent millions of dollars getting Cirque Du Soleil to perform for the press? Ha!

  • Fox

    That’s a stupid assignment, since it ignores the possibility of a company actually performing terribly. E3 gives us a glimpse at what the “big three” are planning, it is entirely reasonable to look at Microsoft or Sony’s offerings at this year’s E3 and say “they do not have a bright future.” Your assignment demands the writer employ an intellectually dishonest opinion to argue in favor of something that is flat-out untrue. Microsoft embarrassed themselves. Sony bored everyone to tears. Nintendo brought down the house. There is a clear winner here.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    I explained it when I said it hasn’t gone into public stages. Showing off Kinect at an expo does not equate to marketing in the way you think it does.

    And no, it wasn’t a bribe. Because bribes have statutes attached to them. “Say good things about us, and here’s an Xbox.” Oprah giving away cars isn’t a bribe in the same way. You don’t understand what a “bribe” is.

    I am almost 100% sure that no websites streamed the Cirque du Soleil event. If that was the case, they would not have only let a few people inside the room, and said no cameras.

    “And, what, you think Microsoft spent millions of dollars getting Cirque Du Soleil to perform for the press?”

    They gave out free Xboxes to, like you said, everyone in the room. They can afford to do this shit. Cirque du Soleil was for the press to enjoy. Why do you think it was held separately from their actual conference?

  • http://www.ripten.com Chad Lakkis

    Fox,

    If you are here to simply argue for the sake of arguing you are wasting everyone’s time. It seems that you are he’ll bent on catching my writers in some sort of lie by trying to twist words. You refer to us as “press slouches” so it’s obvious that you come into this with a negative outlook against press. What you are doing is no different than typecasting when it comes to races and religion. If that is your MO I suggest you find a different site to spread your rhetoric.

    As someone who spent years in the marketing space your definition of marketing humors me. Do I agree with limiting press access to select outlets so that free consoles could be given out? No. I do not, and you’d know that if you read my Sony write-up. But that is Microsoft’s decision to make. A company such as theirs distributes product for review purposes and they are free to do that however they see fit whether we like it or not.

    During my time with Bose we often gave our product to outlets such as C-Net for example, granted we didn’t do it in an elaborate or public setting such as an event conference. This is a fairly standard practice and because we feel that this information is important to some we have begun to add it to our reviews as well.

    Finally, if it helps you sleep at night, we were not in attendance for the Microsoft Keynote and did not receive any free product. I did however get a shiny G4 magnet on my way out of E3.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    The definition of “winner” at E3 is taken in different ways. You are trying to state your opinion like it’s a fact, and you can’t do that.

    “That’s a stupid assignment, since it ignores the possibility of a company actually performing terrible.”

    I don’t even know where to start with this. Of course every company has a possibility of doing poorly. That’s how every company is with everything at all times. There’s no such thing as a guaranteed success. That doesn’t make this a stupid assignment.

    And it’s not dishonest. We took three writers who truly believed that X/Y/Z won this year’s E3, and had them explain why. No one was forced to conform to an idea for these editorials. And I love that you claim we were using dishonest opinions just because you disagreed with two of the opinions.

    “There is a clear winner here.”

    Sure there is, to you. However, people have different opinions, and you can’t just claim things as a fact and say everyone else is wrong. That’s not intelligent- that’s flat out stupid.

  • Fox

    And no, it wasn’t a bribe. Because bribes have statutes attached to them. “Say good things about us, and here’s an Xbox.”

    Are you incapable of reading between the lines? Of course those 360s had strings attached! Why do you think IGN’s ga-ga over Natal while everyone who didn’t get a Slim is saying “Natal looks like piss.”

    Showing off Kinect at an expo does not equate to marketing in the way you think it does.

    Enlighten me!

    I am almost 100% sure that no websites streamed the Cirque du Soleil event.

    I watched it on IGN.

    Cirque du Soleil was for the press to enjoy.

    And why would Microsoft want to create a spectacle for the press? Think. You think Microsoft wanted to give them a show just for the hell of it? Of course not! Excite the press so that they’ll write nice things about you, and give you attention, attracting consumers to your product. Marketing!

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    No one was handed a note or a contract saying “Take this Xbox, and tell everyone that we are a great company.” It was not a motherfucking bribe. Jesus. I’m not incapable of reading between any fucking lines. If IGN is going ga-ga over Natal BECAUSE of the free Xbox, then that’s their fucking deal. It. Was. Not. A. Bribe.

    Showing Kinect off at an EXPO for ELECTRONICS and ENTERTAINMENT was marketing, but not in the way you are treating it. When I say “marketing hasn’t yet begun”, I mean you have not seen the extent of marketing Microsoft is doing for this thing yet. Don’t think of their E3 conference as marketing. Nintendo showing off the 3DS wasn’t marketing, and neither was Sony showing off the Move.

    “I watched it on IGN.”

    That is a god damned lie. IGN did not stream the Kinect/Cirque Du Soleil event. A quick fucking Google search proved that. https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/16099435825.

    If you can be bought out with a free Xbox 360, then you have no place being anywhere near the video game industry. Your understanding of things is way, way fucked. And if Microsoft were to bribe everyone with a free Xbox, would they have done it publicly? There were no fucking strings attached. Ask any gaming website. They did not have to sign a contract saying they would say good things about Microsoft. If they did, then every god damn website in the world would not have been saying Nintendo is the winner. What did Nintendo give out? Nothing. You’re a sad, sad person if you think everyone is as easily bought out and jaded as you seem to be.

    Why are you still here?

  • Fox

    I have no bones to pick with the press, provided they can report accurately or at least demonstrate that they know what they’re talking about. This article is riddled with BS terminology and baseless speculation. The writer tries to pass off Natal as an innovative new device like the Wii, when in fact it’s just an answer to the Wii. The innovation already happened four years ago. Kinect won’t be successful because it won’t disrupt the market like the Wii did. It’s just a bad article.

    A company such as theirs distributes product for review purposes and they are free to do that however they see fit whether we like it or not.

    So why is it that, up until this point, review consoles have always been quietly and ingloriously shipped via armored vans to their respective locations? Why would Microsoft make such a big deal, this time, about giving people free Slims, when they did not in the past? Why choose to do so at such a huge event, with tens of thousands of people watching?

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    “So why is it that, up until this point, review consoles have always been quietly and ingloriously shipped via armored vans to their respective locations? ”

    Armored vans? These things are shipped like people ship fucking DVDs- through FedEx and UPS. And when’s the last time a console was available the very day it is announced?

    Plus, you seem to have conveniently glossed over the “however they see fit” line. And not once did I call Kinect innovative. Ever. I went to my local mall a year ago and stood under a camera they put in one of the walkways and I could squish this little bugs on this mat. It’s the same shit. Microsoft is just selling it commercially to consumers. Although, you seem to forget the voice control. Believe it or not, never been done on a home console. Plus, your comment also has baseless speculation: “Kinect won’t be successful because it won’t disrupt the market like the Wii did.”

    Everything you say has holes, dude. If I were you, I would just walk away. If you hate this article so much, why have you returned for the past two hours to leave more comments and hits on it?

  • http://www.the2bears.com the2bears

    The DS has used voice control for a few years now in games, though it’s not strictly considered a “home console” by many.

  • http://www.the2bears.com the2bears

    I refer to the videos and gifs popping up all over now showing Kinect controls happening before the users’ motions.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    No, the DS has used voice input in games. You could not navigate the DS menu with your voice. You also couldn’t watch a film on the DS. (Officially.)

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    I’m not saying that Kinect works perfectly, guys. I’m also not saying that Microsoft didn’t stage a lot of their keynote.

    But, may I point out that almost every time the press has tried Kinect, they’ve liked it.

  • Hal

    Using voice commands to navigate menus or input commands on a console system isn’t revolutionary, nor is it a very strong selling point for Kinect. While voice recognition is definitely a nice feature for a console system to have, people won’t buy it because of that. I think you guys are over analyzing its importance to consumers.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    It’s not a strong selling point to you, but we can’t assume that all consumers won’t think the same way. We also can’t assume people won’t buy it just because of that. But when you think about the people that don’t own a Wii, and are considering buying it, they might look to Kinect instead. Especially if it can be had for a similar/slightly-higher price.

    Again, though. This entire post is not fact. It’s opinion, and what I think will happen.

  • Fox

    To me, it’s the company that presents the most successful idea, not necessarily the “best.”

    At what point is the most successful idea not the best idea? Also, if you believe the company that presents the “most successful” idea should be declared the winner of E3, why are you not writing about the 3DS? 3DS was universally well received, Kinect was not.

  • Hal

    Fox’s comment that “Kinect won’t be successful because it won’t disrupt the market like the Wii did” isn’t just baseless speculation. The Wii was the first home console which supported games being played with motion controls, an interface which (at the time) was almost entirely unexplored, and surprisingly intuitive. That’s a pretty big disruption, since up until this point home gaming companies had primarily competed based on the games available for each console while the hardware was pretty identical.

    Kinect, while it may be an amazing idea, isn’t nearly different enough from the Wii to disrupt the gaming market again. Even if its motion controls are superior to the Wii’s, consumers are going to view it as a clone. This isn’t helped by the fact that a lot of the launch games for Kinect that Microsoft is pushing seem to be variations of games that already exist on Wii, giving people that already own them (or even just a Wii) little incentive to buy one.

    In order for another disruption to occur, we’d need to see something radically different from the previous disruptor. Something like 3D! Or augmented/virtual reality! Or something else that we can’t currently predict…

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    CD players in your car are not the same fucking thing. Put a disc in your Wii and shake it. If that thing does not come out scratched, you have a magical Wii.

  • Fox

    My comments would appear to be stuck in moderation purgatory.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    There is a huuuuge difference between most successful and best. The iPad has been the most successful tablet device in… well, ever, really. Does that mean it’s the best? Not necessarily. And “reception” vs. “sales” is a huge fucking difference. Good examples: Psychonauts and Beyond Good & Evil. Psychonauts & BGE sold like shit, but they were universally well-received.

    It is 11:32 where I am, and I don’t have the time to deal with your bullshit. I’m going to sleep. I feel like you have a better use of your time to nitpick opinion articles you disagree with. If not, you lead a sad fucking life.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    Kinect can do augmented reality. It’s a camera, after all. And voice control. And given the way Kinect works (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/19/kinect-how-it-works-from-the-company-behind-the-tech/), it is technically capable of 3D, since it maps out the room in 3D space. (By the way, 3D is not at ALL a new technology.) I was calling it baseless speculation because he said as a statement of fact: “Kinect won’t be as successful as the Wii.” We don’t know that for sure.

  • Hal

    I agree that it would be dumb to “assume that all customers won’t think the same way”, but we can at least speculate. Personally, I don’t feel that speech recognition is a feature that will sell Kinect to a significant portion of Microsoft’s target consumer base. You disagree though, and that’s fine because it’s your opinion.

    This kind of speculation is extremely important to Microsoft though. They can’t “assume” anything either, so they have to make educated guesses about what most people will want. I don’t think they’ve made the right decision with Kinect though, or at least they’re not making games for the right people. They seem to currently be targeting the same audience that the Wii targeted, and unfortunately a lot of them have already been swallowed up by Wii.

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    I agree with everything you have said in this comment.

  • Hal

    Then they should have marketed it as an augmented reality/3D system! I think that ,ore people would definitely be interested in buying it, because that’s something really interesting that’s never been done before. Instead, they’re making Kinect versions of “casual” (I don’t like that term) games that already exist (Kinect Sports, Your Shape, etc.) and not showing off anything really revolutionary (like Milo)!

    I’m disappointed, because this console has so much potential and yet it’s looking that it will probably not sell very well since they’re just not marketing it the right people.

  • Jhenri

    probably because they have done it several times without getting the disc scratched. I myself have done it without scratching my games and other disc. Sometimes you move them without actually thinking about it first.

  • 8-bit

    @ author

    Nice viral marketing. ;)

  • http://flavors.me/demi Demi Adejuyigbe

    ‘the hell are you talking about? I’m not “marketing” for Microsoft. My first paragraph says their shit sucked. Marketing would say “KINECT IS THE MOST INNOVATIVE NEW SHIT EVER”, when really, it’s more of the same shit + some new stickers.

  • Onipex

    Kinect will not sell unless there is software that will push it. I did not see anything at E3 that will push this. You mention Your Shape but, a Your Shape game for the Wii was released last year and it came with a camera. Now to be fair the camera is not nearly as powerful as kinect , but the game did not do that that well the last time I checked. We have all seen Wii games that did not have the best design, control or graphics sell very well, so you must ask yourself why Your Shape failed to do so last year. The reason could be that there are already tons of fitness games flooding the market.
    There also a ton of party games on the market and if Wii Party is just Mario Party ,which just may be the king of party games, with Miis then that alone with be the hot new party game.

    What does Kinect have to push it? There has to be good software to show off the hardware. The Wii would be nothing if the market did not like Wii Sports, but Wii Sports has been done to death. Anyone that wanted the next step in Wii Sports can just buy WSR.

    What Kinect does have going for it in my opinion is that it is not just another motion controller remote. If Microsoft can get some good software to pull people in they have actually have a chance in getting some return on their money for this. There is no way this will be as big as the Wii though.

  • Doug

    Kinect stole the show and BEST OF SHOW award has been awarded to to “Dance Central (Harmonix/MTV Games/Microsoft for Xbox 360).